So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed! She shouldn't have been shot either but again if you agitate in an area with armed officers tragedies may well occur.

There is also something about acting in the best interests of the ‘public good’. So as an agency or an individual with authority you shouldn’t be doing things in the course of your duty that cause worse issues somewhere else. Like doctors have the ‘first do no harm’ principle. They would have a right to arrest people who are obstructing them but there’s always a balanced risk assessment to be made. If they can’t make that risk assessment properly they have no business being in that role. It seems like some republicans are recognising this now.

Laws apply equally and fairly to every citizen.

Officers are certainly not entitled to kill someone on the basis of criminal damage.

Amazingly you can have a criminal record and still be entitled to be treated fairly by a properly operating system.

Otherwise you may as well abandon the courts & justice system altogether and just leave them taking pot shots at will.

Again, Ashlii Babbitt was shot on Jan 6th <after you suggesting agitators werent>.
She shouldn't have been either. Can you really not see if you put yourself in the centre of a volatile situation with armed officers then these preventable shootings occur?

No I suggested you thought it was justified.

'You are effectively suggesting that all the Jan 6 rioters could have been gunned down for not following police instructions'

You said this ^

So do you agree someone was 'gunned down for not following police instructions' and can possibly see that in chaotic situation with armed officers around tragedies may occur amd that is not the same as saying shooting is 'justified'?

Even Trump now realised it was wrong and Noem is about to be sacked or quietly removed.

I don’t approve of the use of weapons unless the officer is at risk of injury/death.

I don’t think those 7(?) agents were at risk. Certainly not when Pretti was kneeling and unarmed.

Bit you agree someone was shot and killed on Jan 6th for also not following instructions so in chaotic scenes regrettable tragedies occur?

A ‘regrettable tragedy did not occur’ in the passive way you describe.

A violent, murderous ACT of shooting many shots at a man who was down and unarmed was CARRIED OUT by a HUMAN with AGENCY.

There was no chaotic scene except the one those 6 ICE men made themselves and they were in there own group with Pretti on the ground, surrounded by them, and unarmed when they shot.

Pretti was kneeling in front of ICE for the first shot.
Stationary on the ground for the next nine shots.

i don’t think that is the ‘fog of battle’. I think that is thugs in executing someone.

You keep ignoring my question. You said that's like saying agitators on Jan should have been shot. No one should have been but someone was shot then too.

Agitating in a volatile situation with armed officers is a dangerous thing to do.

I'm answering your question. I think weapons should only be used if there is an immediate threat to injury/life.

Pretti was first shot when he was kneeling and then shot repeatedly whilst on the ground - so not a threat to the half a dozen ICE agents around him.

The point is, ICE agents should be civilised, treating people with respect. They don’t. They are aggressive, violent, law breaking thugs. The whistles are to let people know they are around because the people are scared.

Nah. A cold blooded murder is not a 'situation' that has escalated. The video is crystal clear. Anything that happened 11 days previously is completely irrelevant in light of the video evidence.
Or is the implication that he was executed because of previous actions? Not that that would be a shock to anyone.

I guess the 'uncovering' of the very timely video is doing the necessary job 🙄

Looks like there's going to be a change of tack. Trump was elected partly to deal with the Southern border crisis which has now reduced to a trickle.

His advisors will be telling him it's time to scale things back as the objective has been largely achieved.

We are kind of abandoning the justice system in the UK by deciding we no longer need juries.

I don't think anyone thinks it justifies the shooting. He should have been arrested on the 13th though.

Doesn't justify what happened, but hassling and disrupting armed law enforcement officers is likely to end badly.

Left wing activists may see it as state sponsored murder. But many people will be reassured that illegal immigration over the southern border has gone down to a trickle. For Trump, that's a win.

I didn't say those on the left see it.... Trump is hemorrhaging support from his right and centrist voters, even dyed in the wool Republicans.

'The video is crystal clear. Anything that happened 11 days previously is completely irrelevant'

It is absolutely relevant. He was a violent agitator who had previously assaulted officers. It gives context to what his behaviour was like prior to the scuffle <disclaimer no it doesn't constitute getting shot but clearly he had form and was deemed a danger rightly or wrongly>.

Anyway ive just seem Homan's presser, sounds like he's told the gov and mayor to stand down a bit and hopefully reduce ICE presence if local agitators calm their jets without such encouragement to obstruct from Walz & co.

My understanding is the “footage” that has just been shared was 11 days prior to his killing.

The new video is irrelevant anway, nothing would justify him being murdered in broad daylight.

"Violent agistator"? "Assaulted officers?" 😂
Nope. It's not relevant at all to what happened when he was executed by ICEstapo. The video is clear. The regime had to lie about the events because there was zero reason for his murder. I mean, you've seen the video, right? That was all the context needed

He spat at officers, that is considers assault. Hope that helps. Nothing funny about any of this why are you finding it hilarious?

I've seen the video and seem to have to keep saying he shouldn't have been shot but he shouldn't have been a violent agitator with a weapon either.

Why are you downplaying his murder “he shouldn’t have been shot” as if he wasn’t murdered?

He wasn’t just “shot” as if the gun was discharged once, he had multiple gunshot injuries that ended his life!

Not to mention he had multiple officers on him and his hands were behind his back when he was brutally murdered in broad daylight!