So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

[Allotmentblackfly]

So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

You sanctimonious piece of [self-censored because Mumsnet would delete me if I said what I would call you to your face].

I would very much like to go back to parking threads. But not while friends of mine are in cities that are being invaded by armed thugs.

That link isn't saying what you think it is. But thank you for reminding me that there are good people out there supporting democracy instead of tearing it down.

That's not what the administration have said. Are you saying that they're mistaken?

Because there aren’t 1000s of protesters, so it should be easy for the PD to roll them up and charge them for obstruction (we all know they don’t do this, which creates an unsafe environment for all sides).

We don’t respond to tantrums by giving in. That just leads to more tantrums

He was legally carrying his gun as he had a permit.

Are you advocating for every person who legally carries a gun be allowed to face immediate state sanctioned execution without due process?

Why would any police officer risk their life standing next to a masked man with a gun who has been assured that he is beyond the law?

Because operations go way more smoothly with the full cooperation of the local police departments and county sheriffs? Why do these issues only happen in a minor American city? Seems they are the outliers here 🤔

I agree, not thousands of protesters, you are correct.

It's 10s of thousands.

There are thousands of protestors. Not at every ICE raid, but thousands of people in the community are sat in their home offices or doing the housework listening for the warnings that ICE are approaching. They can be anywhere that ICE shows up, and MPD would likewise have to be in all of those places. If ICE outnumber MPD then MPD can't do that.

Apart from the fact that MPD have got proper police work to be getting on with. MPD really should be arresting ICE, given that ICE are the ones acting illegally.

Operations go way more smoothly when you actually have a warrant. A proper one.

Stay mad that most other cities, even blue ones, actually cooperate with ICE

Operations go more smoothly when everyone is accountable and subject to the law.

Do they? Really?

I don't believe that it's ever a good idea for law enforcement to be unaccountable.

And do you not think that things are made more difficult when its patently obvious that the goal is not to effectively control illegal immigration, but to rile up the libs? It's not as though Trump is hiding his intentions.

Surely a fundamental aspect of having a constitutional right to do something is that government agents can't kill you for doing it!

An awful lot of pro-gun people seem to have suddenly abandoned their principles for some reason...

Again - ICE are routinely engaging in illegal, unconstitutional and heavy handed tactics, with an apparent element of racial profiling.

That some people in Minneapolis are protesting the unlawful and sometimes violent actions of the Federal government, speaks to their strength of character in the face of tyranny.

As we've seen, they are standing up for the constitution and legal rights of others at grave risk to themselves, and being summarily labeled as "domestic terrorists" or similar.

I don't blame anyone for being unable to muster the same courage, but shame on every American who understands (or has the capacity to understand) the criminality with which ICE are being directed to operate (apparent to whistleblowers from within ICE itself) and actually go so far as to support it.

That goes double for law enforcement officers who enable it.

Well aren’t you nice.

You think having friends there gives you any moral high ground or basis to call me names? When you can say you grew up there, lived there as an adult, have family there, and have friends there. Then I’ll give your opinions some weight.

I'm sure others will have seen this already, but my goodness is in poignant in the circumstances:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Dro1-lcOgwY?si=VUyhJNDMav1Ze9ED

(Alex Pretti delivering a memorial for a deceased veteran).

Oh, the irony 🙄

Nice? You are the one who doesn't give a shit that two people have now been murdered just a few streets apart in the space of a few weeks by federal agents.

Yes, you saying what you have said has given me the moral high ground. I don't know any Iranians but I've got the moral high ground over the supporters of the regime there as well. You don't actually need to have ties to places to believe in human decency. You just need a moral compass to begin with.

What hairs are being split I’m just amused and curious what the basis was for the ‘perfectly peaceful’ claim.

Yep, he's been 'persuaded' to see things the regime's way
https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/06/chicagos-top-cop-refutes-claims-his-officers-didnt-respond-calls-service-federal-agents

Well there were no masked gangs marauding the streets, beating up people, throwing chemical weapons about, abducting them and murdering them. So there's that...

Reminder to those who think bringing a (legally acquired, legally carried) gun to a protest makes a person fair game to be killed.

This is Kyle Rittenhouse, pictured below. He attended a protest against police brutality in Kenosha in 2020 armed with a semi-automatic rifle. He shot three people, killing two. He was acquitted of all charges on the basis of self-defence and was later publicly praised by Donald Trump.

On 6 January 2021, Trump supporters were incited by him to breach the US Capitol during the certification of the presidential election. Rioters assaulted police officers and used weapons and improvised weapons including flagpoles, bats and chemical spray. Many were convicted of violent offences and a large number have since received pardons, and more praise from Donald Trump.

Get your fucking stories straight.

Quite.

Although you're wasting your time - they won't see the hypocrisy.

'they' don't understand? lol
ICEstapo are rounding up ANY immigrant they come across. There is no distinction between legal and illegal.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/26/minnesota-immigration-cases-ice-00746275

Of course, the official lie narrative is that they are going after the 'worst of the worst criminals' with their 'targeted operations'
You have to be very dumb to believe that