So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

It's terrifying and exactly seems like naxi Germany now.thete is a UK solidarity thing tonight in Trafalgar Square if anyone lives in London

How can MPD provide crowd control when they haven't anything like the manpower required to cover the entire invasion? There are thousands of ICE thugs rampaging around the city.

ICE should get the fuck out of Minneapolis. The city was perfectly peaceful before they turned up. When they've had some time to consider their behaviour, read up on the Constitution, and unlearn their violent impulses then maybe they might send the odd squad for properly authorised raids.

ICE are the problem. Not the protestors.

I always suspected right whingers had zero morals or core values, but if there was any doubt it's been entirely removed by their reaction to this latest murder. The deplorable depths they'll plumb to avoid criticising the dear leader and justify summary execution is truly mind-blowing

Although it is pretty amusing watching them tie themselves in absolutely knots over this. Remind me again, why is it ok to take a loaded gun to an airport, a school, a shop, a cinema, a park and a protest but not ok to take a gun to this protest?

I'm so surprised about some of the comments here,it's so sad,it must be different algorithms I guess.i see that he's an icu nurse who has been published for his cancer research,I see his prayers for veterans in his hospital,I see the staff praying for his last departure from the hospital.i hope that his life will at least mean something and end ice for good.he deserves to be remembered for the hero he was.

People have constitutional rights. ICE should try it.

That’s called whataboutery

Poilievre was all set to win in Canada, but come the election his Trump support came back and bit him, causing his campaign to collapse.

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Perfectly peaceful. Oh boy this is the best comment yet. Minneapolis has been circling the drain for at least 10 years. But I’ll bite, what is the basis for your opinion?

It's also the fact that he was legally carrying a gun. Even the Second Amendment zealots won't support Trump unconditionally, not if their guns are threatened.

This sums it up
people can protest. It’s what you want for your country
in the US you can carry a gun (not seen any EVIDENCE of it being used or threatened
you can drive a car , ditto

you really just shouldn’t expect to be shot. Several times. I mean is that really so unrealistic?

the bar simply should be higher. Yes use a water cannon, don’t shoot them!

Why is anyone surprised at the blatant denials that this was an execution? Trump lives by lies when presented by evidence to the contrary and all his sheeple follow suit,simple

The odious Farage et al will be furiously taking notes for things to come in the UK, he must be licking his lips

Thats not true. Sorry. Sarah Everard was kidnapped and murdered by a police officer. THAT was the difference there.

Yes, I know. I saw the videos. But if he hadn't have had a gun they couldn't have said that he represented a threat because he was carrying a gun.

Excuse me, I'm just going to go out and fertilise my garden with the massive load of horse shit you've just posted there...

• What makes you think that the Minnesota Trump voters are happy with the actions of ICE? Even far-right loons like Marjorie Taylor Greene have said that ICE have gone too far. Many of the Trump voters believed the schtick about only deporting the "worst of the worst". Not the nice family next door.
• Neither Walz nor Frey have been implicated in the fraud. It was being investigated and guilty people have gone to prison. Further investigations might be a bit hampered now though, several investigators resigned in protest when told that they were ordered to harass the grieving widow of the woman murdered by ICE.
• The only people cosplaying are the ones acting out their CoD fantasies with the camo gear they got from Temu (that doesn't quite match the masks they use to LARP as Provos.
• The only people who look incompetent at the moment are the Federal Government. Why do you think that they're considering backing down and Noem has been removed from the operation?
• Many Trump voters believe that ICE have gone too far.
• Democrat politicians don't want ICE rampaging around either.

Responding to myself, but this is my fundamental issue with the Trump administration.

I fundamentally disagree with its platform but, living in a democracy, you have to accept that sometimes the government will be one with which you vehemently disagree on matters of policy.

It is also true that most governments will, at some point, carry out (or attempt to carry out) actions that are of dubious legality - if the judiciary determine illegality, a government that thinks it has a case may continue to fight it within the confines of the judicial system but, ultimately, they will accept the legitimacy of the courts. That's the Rule of Law, and its an essential feature of any true democracy.

It's not the policies, nor the rhetoric and lies, that make me think the Trump administration is the most uniquely dangerous administration the West has seen since WW2 - it is the utter contempt for the law (including the constitution).

Supporting the Trump administration - and supporting ICE - is supporting criminality and opposing basic, settled laws.

And yes, contempt for the Rule of Law is absolutely one of the key operating principles of facism, and is what is unfolding in the US right now.

How about the two teenagers abducted from their jobs in Target, beaten up and dumped in the cold miles away? No parent couldn't have their heart broken by the poor lad in floods of tears when he was found by some Good Samaritans (African-American males by the sound of the voices).

Alex was careful. A woman (who did nothing wrong herself) got pushed over, Alex kneeled down and asked if she was OK. Next thing he knows he's being piled on and two fuckwits are emptying their magazines into him.

I missed a group in my list, thanks for the reminder;

• Random people on the internet that have no ties to anything going on who get to sit back and pontificate

Matching signs?

No I literally said they are there to deport the Bidenwave

I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over their death, why would I?

Attending a protest or legally owning and carrying a gun are not grounds for public execution.

I assume that people in America, like elsewhere, want law enforcement to be trained and accountable. Without that it is difficult to argue that America is a country that has the rule of law.

I don't know why gun regulation is so lax in the US, but the proliferation of guns makes it inevitable that people will get killed by guns and mistakes happen. If Trump's government weren't desperate for America to be a banana republic, there would be efforts to calm and reassure after these incidents, and officials would withhold judgement until they could establish what happened.

But that doesn't serve Trump's purpose. This isn't just an opportunity to 'own the libs'. It's an opportunity to show Americans that the government can lie, and they have no power to do anything about it.

Random people on the internet that have no ties to anything going on who get to sit back and pontificate

From what I can see that is you.

Don't split hairs. No place humans inhabit is perfectly peaceful, but ICE have set out to terrorise the population.

Wouldn't have stopped them beating the crap out of him simply for trying to help a woman they'd assaulted.