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So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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Allotmentblackfly · 24/01/2026 23:55

So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

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RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:20

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:10

Anyway the left can hardly cast stones here, seeing as they don’t seem to know the difference between the male and female sex.

Imagine a world where you can have a government that both recognises the reality and consequences of sex and doesn't shoot you in the street! Does it have to be either/or?

They also don’t seem to understand the difference between a legal and illegal alien.

ICE agents certainly seem to have been inadequately trained on this point.

They are actually pretty effective, very few of those they arrest are citizens (maybe it was around 50 … out of 300,000)

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:21

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:11

Generally a police department is not 'operating smoothly' when it is supporting illegal actions.

Did you listen to the PD superintendent?

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:22

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:21

Did you listen to the PD superintendent?

I'm going to be completely honest, no I didn't click on your link.
I just followed the logic of your post.

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:23

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:20

They are actually pretty effective, very few of those they arrest are citizens (maybe it was around 50 … out of 300,000)

Who is checking?

Why would anyone believe what the government say when the government is so obviously happy to lie?

They even lie about the little things like whether Trump said Iceland or Greenland.

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:24

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:22

I'm going to be completely honest, no I didn't click on your link.
I just followed the logic of your post.

You should actually listen to what he says.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:24

DdraigGoch · 26/01/2026 16:23

I'd suggest that ICE and CBP steps away from Minneapolis.

Why?

  • The 1.5M Minnesota Trump voters surely support them being there
  • The local leadership Walz and Frey couldn't be happier they are there to take the heat off the staggering fraud found that they are being blamed for
  • Antifa and similar groups are ecstatic they get another chance to cosplay Che Guevara and the people's revolution
  • Trump and his government get to showcase to their voter base that the democrats are incompetent to run their own cities and states
  • Trump voters in other states are happy he's filling campaign promises
  • Democrat politicians and voters outside of Minnesota are glad they have another "see he's terrible" example to bang on about

I mean, really the only people who aren't happy about this situation are the illegal immigrants who are at risk of being detained and deported. I mean I get it, but they aren't really in a position to bitch about the situation that they created for themselves.

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:26

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:23

Who is checking?

Why would anyone believe what the government say when the government is so obviously happy to lie?

They even lie about the little things like whether Trump said Iceland or Greenland.

Some liberal rag came up with maybe 50.

The one they featured in the article was a guy working in a crew of illegals that got hit by an ICE raid, his brother was illegal, he couldn’t speak English.

Gee, wonder why he was picked up 🙄

As it happens they detained him a few hours and then let him go when his details checked out.

And this was presumably the most sympathetic story they could find.

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:28

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:24

Why?

  • The 1.5M Minnesota Trump voters surely support them being there
  • The local leadership Walz and Frey couldn't be happier they are there to take the heat off the staggering fraud found that they are being blamed for
  • Antifa and similar groups are ecstatic they get another chance to cosplay Che Guevara and the people's revolution
  • Trump and his government get to showcase to their voter base that the democrats are incompetent to run their own cities and states
  • Trump voters in other states are happy he's filling campaign promises
  • Democrat politicians and voters outside of Minnesota are glad they have another "see he's terrible" example to bang on about

I mean, really the only people who aren't happy about this situation are the illegal immigrants who are at risk of being detained and deported. I mean I get it, but they aren't really in a position to bitch about the situation that they created for themselves.

You think the family of the people who were shot are 'happy'? That it's all a laugh?

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:31

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:26

Some liberal rag came up with maybe 50.

The one they featured in the article was a guy working in a crew of illegals that got hit by an ICE raid, his brother was illegal, he couldn’t speak English.

Gee, wonder why he was picked up 🙄

As it happens they detained him a few hours and then let him go when his details checked out.

And this was presumably the most sympathetic story they could find.

Some liberal rag came up with maybe 50

So again, these were the examples an outsider could find, but nobody really knows or is keeping track.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:31

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:28

You think the family of the people who were shot are 'happy'? That it's all a laugh?

No, I'm sure they are quite sad. IIRC, Renee's family thought she shouldn't be there in the first place and the Alex's dad told him to be careful at any protests he attended. Looks like neither of them cared to much about about their family's opinion.

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:38

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:31

No, I'm sure they are quite sad. IIRC, Renee's family thought she shouldn't be there in the first place and the Alex's dad told him to be careful at any protests he attended. Looks like neither of them cared to much about about their family's opinion.

Oh how droll you are with your detached take on tragedy.

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 17:40

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:31

Some liberal rag came up with maybe 50

So again, these were the examples an outsider could find, but nobody really knows or is keeping track.

So you are just making shit up.

ok 👍

LlttledrummergirI · 26/01/2026 17:44

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:24

Why?

  • The 1.5M Minnesota Trump voters surely support them being there
  • The local leadership Walz and Frey couldn't be happier they are there to take the heat off the staggering fraud found that they are being blamed for
  • Antifa and similar groups are ecstatic they get another chance to cosplay Che Guevara and the people's revolution
  • Trump and his government get to showcase to their voter base that the democrats are incompetent to run their own cities and states
  • Trump voters in other states are happy he's filling campaign promises
  • Democrat politicians and voters outside of Minnesota are glad they have another "see he's terrible" example to bang on about

I mean, really the only people who aren't happy about this situation are the illegal immigrants who are at risk of being detained and deported. I mean I get it, but they aren't really in a position to bitch about the situation that they created for themselves.

Didn't Noem say that had caught the girlfriend of the antifa leader who was paying for all of the protesters all around America to protest?

Still waiting to hear who they caught. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Or is this as antifa guff about as honest as the rest of your post- not at all?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:46

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 17:38

Oh how droll you are with your detached take on tragedy.

I'm just not going to place more importance on a life than they did themselves.

I think it was absolutely reckless and horrible that Renee put more importance on some random person she's never met than her own children and wonder how she became so radicalized to do that.

As for Alex, really the same question. Either he was expecting things to go badly that he open carried to a protest or he was looking to martyr himself. Either way what happened to him that either of those were good options??

It's quite sad in both cases but I didn't know these people. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over their death, why would I?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:55

LlttledrummergirI · 26/01/2026 17:44

Didn't Noem say that had caught the girlfriend of the antifa leader who was paying for all of the protesters all around America to protest?

Still waiting to hear who they caught. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Or is this as antifa guff about as honest as the rest of your post- not at all?

Hadn't heard that... but how do you think these protesters get all their fancy gas masks and matching signs?

But it's not exactly a big secret if they are saying this is what they do, right? https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

DeepBlueDeer · 26/01/2026 17:55

A quick reminder - or perhaps a public service announcement for those unaware.

One of the clearest protections set forth in the US constitution is that which prevents unreasonable searches and seizures by law enforcement (found in the Forth Amendment).

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the home receives the highest level of Fourth Amendment protection, and thus the Amendment prevents law enforcement agencies from entering people's homes, in non-emergency situations, without a warrant supported by an oath of affirmation (and it is firmly established, by the Supreme Court, that that means a warrant issued by a judge or neutral magistrate - not by the law enforcement agency itself, which would obviously be entirely self defeating).

ICE have routinely run roughshod over this basic constitutional right, by illegally entering homes to make arrests and secure deportations.

That these illegal raids are ICE policy (and not "mere" widespread wrongdoing) was recently confirmed when whisteblowers, from within ICE, leaked a secret internal memo, which authorizes agents to illegally enter homes without a judicial warrant.

The fact that this memo was kept highly secret inside the agency only underscores how far it strays from established law. If ICE believed the practice was lawful, it wouldn’t need to hide it from the public or from the courts.

Law enforcement know full well that ICE's warrantless raids are illegal (because, of course, they are extremely aware of the need to obtain warrants as part of their own jobs).

Clearly, this isn't the only illegality in which ICE have engaged but its about as plain and obvious example there can be that ICE is operating - by policy - in a criminal and unconstitutional manner.

Law enforcement departments that "totally align" with ICE are aiding and abetting criminality.

OrangeisthenewBrown · 26/01/2026 18:05

BlackCatDiscoClub · 25/01/2026 09:42

In Minnestoa there are background checks for gun purchases, which include whether someone has been sectioned. I do not believe in gun ownership, but in the US they do. So by their own logic, he was not considered unstable. He was also part of a gun community who have said he was fine. If you don't like people legally carrying guns, then tell your representatives. But you can't say a legal gun owner who was carrying legally in the US was unstable simply because he was exercising his legal right.

Had he not been carrying a gun, he would have been less likely to have been shot.

Americans seem to believe that carrying a gun affords them some sort of protection. I feel that the opposite is probably true. If a gun-carrying criminal knows that you too are carrying a gun, they're more likely to shoot you. If you're unarmed you're not a threat. If you're armed you represent a threat and so will be eliminated. That's my take on it anyway.

RedTagAlan · 26/01/2026 18:09

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 17:55

Hadn't heard that... but how do you think these protesters get all their fancy gas masks and matching signs?

But it's not exactly a big secret if they are saying this is what they do, right? https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

Gas masks ? Buy them online. Loads on Amazon

Signs ? Print them out. You are likely familiar with how printers work.

Amazon.com : gas masks

Amazon.com: Gas Masks

Amazon.com: gas masks

https://www.amazon.com/gas-masks/s?k=gas%20masks&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-5480967-so-upset-about-ice-killings-in-minnesota

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 18:19

DeepBlueDeer · 26/01/2026 17:55

A quick reminder - or perhaps a public service announcement for those unaware.

One of the clearest protections set forth in the US constitution is that which prevents unreasonable searches and seizures by law enforcement (found in the Forth Amendment).

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the home receives the highest level of Fourth Amendment protection, and thus the Amendment prevents law enforcement agencies from entering people's homes, in non-emergency situations, without a warrant supported by an oath of affirmation (and it is firmly established, by the Supreme Court, that that means a warrant issued by a judge or neutral magistrate - not by the law enforcement agency itself, which would obviously be entirely self defeating).

ICE have routinely run roughshod over this basic constitutional right, by illegally entering homes to make arrests and secure deportations.

That these illegal raids are ICE policy (and not "mere" widespread wrongdoing) was recently confirmed when whisteblowers, from within ICE, leaked a secret internal memo, which authorizes agents to illegally enter homes without a judicial warrant.

The fact that this memo was kept highly secret inside the agency only underscores how far it strays from established law. If ICE believed the practice was lawful, it wouldn’t need to hide it from the public or from the courts.

Law enforcement know full well that ICE's warrantless raids are illegal (because, of course, they are extremely aware of the need to obtain warrants as part of their own jobs).

Clearly, this isn't the only illegality in which ICE have engaged but its about as plain and obvious example there can be that ICE is operating - by policy - in a criminal and unconstitutional manner.

Law enforcement departments that "totally align" with ICE are aiding and abetting criminality.

The judiciary will have to weigh in on this because there are some complications here.

One is that they do have an administrative warrant, and they apparently only do this for final orders of removal. So they’ve had due process, no argument anymore about whether they can stay. They can’t.

The other complication is that deportation is not a criminal procedure, as is not considered a punishment. It’s a civil matter enforced through the executive.

Lots of legal types arguing over this so I expect that there will be clarity here soon. The relevant case law they are citing is Abel v United States (1960) where a civil warrant was enough to arrest the guy for immigration violations

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 18:25

RedTagAlan · 26/01/2026 18:09

Gas masks ? Buy them online. Loads on Amazon

Signs ? Print them out. You are likely familiar with how printers work.

Amazon.com : gas masks

Amazon and printing shops just hand stuff out for free these days? I must have missed that "Are you protesting" coupon code... my bad.

DdraigGoch · 26/01/2026 18:39

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 16:33

No. Very few of the Somalis are deportable as they came in on visas (they were not asylum seekers).

Trump yanked TPS but it should have been done 15 years ago. Now they are there and anyway this is outside ICE’s remit. They are there for the Bidenwave illegal aliens.

So Trump sends thousands of agents on a pretext of some "Somalian fraud" and now you're saying that they aren't actually after Somali fraudsters?

ScrollingLeaves · 26/01/2026 18:40

OrangeisthenewBrown · 26/01/2026 18:05

Had he not been carrying a gun, he would have been less likely to have been shot.

Americans seem to believe that carrying a gun affords them some sort of protection. I feel that the opposite is probably true. If a gun-carrying criminal knows that you too are carrying a gun, they're more likely to shoot you. If you're unarmed you're not a threat. If you're armed you represent a threat and so will be eliminated. That's my take on it anyway.

He had been pepper sprayed, was on the ground, with six men standing over him and holding him, and his gun had been removed from his pocket (so unarmed), when they shot him over and over again.

DeepBlueDeer · 26/01/2026 18:41

RingoJuice · 26/01/2026 18:19

The judiciary will have to weigh in on this because there are some complications here.

One is that they do have an administrative warrant, and they apparently only do this for final orders of removal. So they’ve had due process, no argument anymore about whether they can stay. They can’t.

The other complication is that deportation is not a criminal procedure, as is not considered a punishment. It’s a civil matter enforced through the executive.

Lots of legal types arguing over this so I expect that there will be clarity here soon. The relevant case law they are citing is Abel v United States (1960) where a civil warrant was enough to arrest the guy for immigration violations

Edited

The Supreme Court has been clear for decades - in ruling upon ruling - that an administrative warrant issued by an agency is not sufficient to authorize entry into a private residence.

Abel was arrested in a hotel room, and the Court emphasized (1) he had no exclusive control over the premises, and (2) hotel management - the owners of the residence - consented to the agents’ entry

Later cases (most clearly, Payton v. New York (1980)) made abundantly clear that the prohibition on entering a private residence on an administrative warrant alone, applies across the board (including in an immigration context).

There are not "lots of legal types" arguing over this. It is settled law. ICE are routinely acting illegally and unconstitutionaly. That is not controversial.

I know JD Vance has pretended otherwise, but he is lying to justify the plainly and obviously illegal acts of the administration he is a part of.

RedTagAlan · 26/01/2026 18:41

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 18:25

Amazon and printing shops just hand stuff out for free these days? I must have missed that "Are you protesting" coupon code... my bad.

I have a gas mask in my toolbox. I bought it for doing a glue job indoors.

Most DIY shops will have some. They are used for many things. They are not rare.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/01/2026 18:44

RedTagAlan · 26/01/2026 18:41

I have a gas mask in my toolbox. I bought it for doing a glue job indoors.

Most DIY shops will have some. They are used for many things. They are not rare.

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