Trump is disgusting. However, he doesn't have the capability to apologise for his errors, rudeness, and lies. Shame on him.

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British troops were on the front line in Afghanistan. The orange blimp is incorrect (again) many died and many were injured. They are rightly upset at his disgusting comments.

My family in the US voted Republican (i.e. for Trump) because they had promised to overturn "Roe v Wade" and put another Rupublican as a supreme court judge...
Yes they are extreme pro-lifers (it's a big movement amongst the evangelical right), but otherwise not MAGAs.
We don't speak much anymore.

I’m sorry, it must be difficult to deal with that. Do you wonder what they might be thinking about recent events?

I’ve been perpetually disgusted by him since his first presidency in 2016……but this?
This goes beyond foul.
I’m ex-Army, and have attended way too many funerals of friends and colleagues in my short life for that draft dodging cunt to get away with saying that.
And his social media post yesterday? Completely nauseating.
Even if he does apologise properly (and let’s be honest, the only way he’ll do that is if he’s essentially forced to by someone else), it doesn’t matter.
The horse has already bolted. Theres no taking back what he said. It’s an insult of epic proportion.

He's a truly awful man.
This is another one of his ridiculous bullshit statements.
And I couldn't believe it when making his speech about all his governments " achievements "....he stood there showing mugshots of a load of convicted criminals and muttering " this is a terrible person..wanted for murder. ".
I mean..my god. he behaves like a huge chubby overweight child..
Anyone who voted for him or supports him....on your own head be it

I know people in the US who also went hard in on Trump over Roe-vs-Wade and Gay marriage. They think of themselves as Christians, but they’re really just tribalists who will do anything for “their” people but are happy to be cruel to anyone outside their group.

Those types are everywhere, but they seem to be in the ascendent in American culture right now. I am slowly losing hope that they’ll become less influential. Quite a few people seem to think that being shockingly rude just because you can is perfectly acceptable.

That depends if you believe Trump or any other MAGA Potus would help us, he would not, his "base" would be dead against it...

Trump is NOT funding Ukraine, he is selling the weapons to Europe to give to Ukraine, its not being done to protect Europe, its being done to make money and provide jobs in the USA, plus it helps fund Trumps defence spending.

Trump is backing Putin over Ukraine, he is not demanding anything at all from Russia, it's all about Ukraine giving up land to Russia, he blames the EU/NATO and Ukraine for starting the war...

You don't think Trump claiming Greenland is destabilising Europe?

Europe needs to start spending far more asap on its own Defence, inc the UK.

I agree with this, but I am also concerned about the long term ratifications of a heavily re-armed Europe. The whole point of NATO and of the US-European agreement was that the US was the superpower, and the military & business authority. They made the rules and called the shots.

This entire “Europe has to take care of itself” position seems to have this weird blind spot in which the MAGAs are assuming that a re-armed Europe will still be mainly sympathetic to American rules and interest. The mindset seems to be that Europe is too weak to ever be anything but subservient, even if rearmed. Surely the Russian trajectory of the past 30 years should make the Americans realise that a weak adversary isn’t necessarily a vanquished one? So Europe would be a genuine economic and military rival, rather then a slightly cacophonous set of firm allies who know which side their bread is buttered on.

They've gone VERY quiet recently, and their public posts on social media have become much more "oh here's the dog on the beach". I get the feeling that the whole family are in general "still Republicans", but no longer believing Trump is the future of Mankind!
I did have a decent length conversation with one a while ago when it was an older controversy where he'd rubbished our military (this current incident isn't the first time, although last time I don't think he went as far). That speech hadn't been broadcast on Fox so she had no idea. In retrospect it was funny, as it was forcing her to confront a reality she didn't want to see. I clearly wasn't the only one, and from the sound of it gentler than some of my more forthright relatives!

That’s interesting and also must be really frustrating! Thank you for sharing. I’ve noticed even Fox occasionally reporting on something not fully Trump compliant recently.

It's pointless forcing Trump to apologies. It'll be "sorry, not sorry"

forcing any narcissist like Trump to self-reflect, show humility or make reparations for the tactless, crass comments and ramblings that he spouts on a regular basis is futile, it'll never happen. People like him have short memories and will gaslight, deny everything and say it wasn't what he meant.

Shouldn't stop the world from showing outrage and highlight why he is wrong, but his acknowledgement will be a very long time coming, because as a human being he has spent decades, his whole life, surrounding himself with sycophants and hangers on, who agree with everything he says. the power given to him is very misplaced.

Yes they do but Europe isn’t spending enough.

No point relying on the USA & wasting money and resources on bases they have here, but which they wouldn't use to protect UK/Europe, we need them back for our own collective defence.

I beg to differ. The risks and damage transgenderism is to women's rights and women's spaces, sports etc. is enormous. Greater than the risk of having the awful Trump. Democrats should start work on showing they oppose fetishistic men trashing women's rights.

'Perhaps' as in 'perhaps he said that - I don't know because it's reported speech and hearsay - and I am willing to believe he said it, but even so (the meaning of 'perhaps' that I was using) what he has done about transwomen in women's sport is a good, and a necessary thing and many women voted for him to make sure it was done'.
And people are having their lives ruined, having hundreds of rape and death threats (just ask JK Rowling) and threats of having their homes fire bombed, if they dare to disagree with the mantra Transwomen are women (the most utter nonsense I have ever heard). Livelihoods have been lost, too.
You mention the vile Epstein and I think that trafficking in young girls is on a par with transgenderism which itself is driven by queer theory. Queer theory espouses the breaking of all boundaries including what Epstein did, along with rape (Jacques Money described women's distress/trauma at being raped as socially constructed, if society did not stigmatise rape women would not be upset by it), paedophilia etc rules against which are all seen as artificial barriers to full human expression. Pretending that men are women and allowing those men to violate women's spaces is part of that theory.
The pity is that the Democrats are so lost to decency that they support men and boys in women's spaces - time they got a grip and realised exactly what they are espousing (fetishes being displayed in public).

Trump is a sociopath. He cannot feel empathy and he cannot feel remorse for his behavior and his comments. Those of us who hate him, most people, understand how awful he is but somehow he manipulates a few intelligent people into his group. Howeverm most of his internal supporters (Noem, Bondi, Miller, Vance, Homan) started out as simply evil human beings. I live under this administration and I am going crazy.

But it's fine if that male is called "Donald" and is a billionaire? Male perverts are only an issue if they call themselves "Sharon"?

Quite. You were worried about males in female changing spaces, so you threw your support behind…a man who has openly bragged about barging in on teenage girls getting undressed 🤦‍♀️

My DD was a teenager when she took up running, literally 100s of middle age or older men have thrown casual sexual remarks at her and anyone she is running with.
When she walked back from Uni to her digs, it was men who shout out of their cars and vans at her.

I'd hazard a guess not a single TW among them.

Men are the problem here, men exactly like Trump.

Transwomen in female sports have led to life changing injuries for some schoolgirls.

Transwomen in prisons can lead to rape.

Ditto toilets.

Who is Jacques Money?

Who would you rather your daughter was alone in a toilet with, your avarage trans-woman or Donald Trump?

We don’t need to make that choice. Men, and that includes trans women, are not allowed in women’s toilets.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you realise that was a hypothetical question.

The fact that some people on this forum can overlook the sexual assaults, the removal of bodily autonomy for women and public executions simply because he doesn't like trans people speaks volumes about this site.

The fact that some people on this forum can overlook the sexual assaults, the removal of bodily autonomy for women and public executions simply because he doesn't like trans people speaks volumes about this site

no it doesnt, it may speak volumes about that poster…

It also speaks volumes about those posters who are happy to come on a site that they feel has those views