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Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn

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topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 14:25

Over the next five years, the OBR is forecasting that UK welfare spending will rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn.

How does everyone feel about this? I’m livid because I pay lots of tax. I don’t mind paying tax to maintain a civilised society - but this? This is surely taking the piss and will result in weaker and weaker services as the amount of £ available reduces day by day.

YANBU - it’s totally deranged. The every growing uk population can’t function effectively on such a benefits for all basis.

YABU - this welfare spending bill is truly representative of need.

Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn
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anon666 · 24/01/2026 20:24

Isn't this mainly old age pensions?

But yes, I agree in principle. The very idea that people are on PIP because of neurodiversity or temporary mental health issues baffles me. We're incentivising people to declare themselves unable to work.

Work is hard. It's emotional at times, its awkward at times. It's exhausting. It doesn't fit around your life. Your life fits around it.

When I see changing attitudes of entitlement, it terrifies me. None of us would work unless we had to. 🙄

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 20:28

TigerRag · 24/01/2026 19:17

Would you stay up all night to care for a loved one and then go to work the next day? What exactly would they live on if their wages paid for carers?

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Sorry I don’t know how to tag everyone that replied to my question.

To the person with parental responsibility- that makes sense and I understand.

To the person who said all the money would go on the paid carer and therefore they would have nothing to live on, you also said the allowance was so small, so presumably working would still give you more money?

Then finally, those talking about coming home from work to take over the caring duties, getting up multiple times in the night, then going to work then next day…. How is that any different to working parents? They come home from work, takeover caring duties, up multiple times in the night and still go to work the next day… should the government start paying all of them to stay at home because they must be exhausted too..?

Waspalert · 24/01/2026 20:32

Keroppi · 23/01/2026 14:41

It's absolutely crazy, we should not be paying anyone who works any universal credit nor paying to top up people's rent! Just subsidising landlords and agencies for no good reason. Min wage keeps going up too, which is great, but not when middle/higher earners get taxed so much and lose free nursery etc.

I don't know what the answer is. Labour don't seem to mind and it's a long time until the next election. Tories obviously terrible and did nothing with their time in either. I look at USA news and it seems everyday Trump is enacting or changing laws/regulations etc - we don't seem to get anything pushed through or changed. Britain is so stagnant despite Labour having a massive majority, they announce things for 2030+! Obviously those things will be forgotten about by then.

I am a landlord with three flats bought over the last ten years. I have kept the rents pretty much the same over this period as I have good tenants and I like the thought of helping them having good quality homes for reasonable rent. Unfortunately, this is unsustainable because of all the regulations and additional taxes being pushed onto landlords. Against my principles I am going to have to raise these rents because it is getting to the point where I am making no money at all. With the housing market stagnant, capital values are not going up either, which means that all landlords are going to have the same dilemma.

Kirbert2 · 24/01/2026 20:34

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 20:28

Sorry I don’t know how to tag everyone that replied to my question.

To the person with parental responsibility- that makes sense and I understand.

To the person who said all the money would go on the paid carer and therefore they would have nothing to live on, you also said the allowance was so small, so presumably working would still give you more money?

Then finally, those talking about coming home from work to take over the caring duties, getting up multiple times in the night, then going to work then next day…. How is that any different to working parents? They come home from work, takeover caring duties, up multiple times in the night and still go to work the next day… should the government start paying all of them to stay at home because they must be exhausted too..?

Because children without a disability/medical needs will sleep through the night eventually. Those children will also grow up and become independent.

My son will need care for the rest of his life. Including during the night.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 24/01/2026 20:40

Nelliemellie · 24/01/2026 16:47

The really rich can go and up sticks to another country, and high earners are paying 40% tax. Reeves should have incentivised small businesses to employ the young. Labour are a complete joke.

40% till 100k then the cliff edge 63% till 125k then 45% NI and student loan payments ts on top.

I don't think there is anymore juice to squeeze out of that one myself.

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 20:45

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 20:28

Sorry I don’t know how to tag everyone that replied to my question.

To the person with parental responsibility- that makes sense and I understand.

To the person who said all the money would go on the paid carer and therefore they would have nothing to live on, you also said the allowance was so small, so presumably working would still give you more money?

Then finally, those talking about coming home from work to take over the caring duties, getting up multiple times in the night, then going to work then next day…. How is that any different to working parents? They come home from work, takeover caring duties, up multiple times in the night and still go to work the next day… should the government start paying all of them to stay at home because they must be exhausted too..?

Just putting this here.

https://suicidebereavementuk.com/41-of-disabled-child-parent-carers-considered-suicide/

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 20:49

anon666 · 24/01/2026 20:24

Isn't this mainly old age pensions?

But yes, I agree in principle. The very idea that people are on PIP because of neurodiversity or temporary mental health issues baffles me. We're incentivising people to declare themselves unable to work.

Work is hard. It's emotional at times, its awkward at times. It's exhausting. It doesn't fit around your life. Your life fits around it.

When I see changing attitudes of entitlement, it terrifies me. None of us would work unless we had to. 🙄

You don't get PIP for temporary conditions. They have to have lasted a certain amount for time before you can even apply, and expected to last some time after too.
Why not PIP for neurodivergent conditions? The needs of ND people varies a lot. Some are very low support needs, and would not be on PIP. Some have very high support needs, need a carer with them, will never live independently. They absolutely need PIP.

anon666 · 24/01/2026 20:57

Depressingly everyone who needs benefits has taken it personally. No-one begrudges them, and to be honest, this whole problem has been caused by the sheer number of people who we all know who don't need them.

I remember realising that about half the middle class, technically wealthy, mums who were out of work and had borderline MH issues had somehow ended up on what was known as "incapacity benefit".

This only came out when I saw them all bleating and moaning on social media about PIP assessments. Their husbands were all high earners, which meant they would not have been entitled to anything ekse. It made my blood boil, as it seemed to be a bit of a top up for shopping or the kids. These were people living a perfectly normal life, apart from some mild MH or physical health diagnosis.

This then prevents proper support to people like those with severely disabled kids ekeing out nappies and suchlike.

In my opinion, state benefits should not be "entitlements". They should be seen as a charitable almsgiving to those who need it. The whole social contract thing was only economic when most people worked, ill or nay, till they were almost dead, then lived another 5 years or so on a pension.

Fearfulsaints · 24/01/2026 21:01

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 20:28

Sorry I don’t know how to tag everyone that replied to my question.

To the person with parental responsibility- that makes sense and I understand.

To the person who said all the money would go on the paid carer and therefore they would have nothing to live on, you also said the allowance was so small, so presumably working would still give you more money?

Then finally, those talking about coming home from work to take over the caring duties, getting up multiple times in the night, then going to work then next day…. How is that any different to working parents? They come home from work, takeover caring duties, up multiple times in the night and still go to work the next day… should the government start paying all of them to stay at home because they must be exhausted too..?

Why would working give you more money? You must see if you earn minium wage and pay a carer minium wage you have minus money, because your earnings are taxed? I think you"d need to earn 30k to pay one carer and have nothing left. If you have to have 2 carers full time which is very common, you'd need to earn 70k to cover thier salaries and have zero left. That's way in excesss of uk average salaries. So yes £80 a week is more than zero for those people.

Its not the same as parenting no and im embarresed for you that you think its the same.

The government do support parents through shared parental leave/mat leave for the time a non disabled child is most likely to need night time care. Carers allowance is much smaller than maternity allowance per week.

its much harder to peg feed a 20 year old who has peg fed every 3 hours for 20 years and use a hoist to help change them twice a night, then sort and administer thier kidney medicine without which they die, deal with a violent meltown when they decide its morning at 3am and get up and start vocalisng and want go go for a walk and are bigger than you.

I am very fortunate that isnt my life but I know many people for whom it is.

anon666 · 24/01/2026 21:05

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 20:49

You don't get PIP for temporary conditions. They have to have lasted a certain amount for time before you can even apply, and expected to last some time after too.
Why not PIP for neurodivergent conditions? The needs of ND people varies a lot. Some are very low support needs, and would not be on PIP. Some have very high support needs, need a carer with them, will never live independently. They absolutely need PIP.

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Right, but I know of so many people who claim, end up in a dependency mindset, and then never work again.

People who, in the past, would never have dreamed of asking for support.

I'm neurodivergent, high functioning, high earning and financially secure. My two "disabled" friends were banging on at me about how my life was harder as a result, and I needed to apply for PIP.

When I said to them both "everyone can't be disabled" they said "yes they can". This opinion held when I calculated that on tbat basis maybe 50% of people could technically be disabled. They felt that in that case 50% need support.

I asked how is that affordable, amd the reply was "not my problem, that's just ableist. It's the law that we need equity and that means support to equal access to opportunities". 🤯

I would argue that I've had more than equal access, much more. Disability, neurodiversity and so on - none of these things define whether your opportunities were equal. We've gone so far down this rabbit hole, that the lights have gone out.

Cappuccinodelight · 24/01/2026 21:07

In that case, UBI for everyone, no extras.

inamarina · 24/01/2026 21:11

WaryCrow · 24/01/2026 16:34

And that’s why we need international law and agreements and do not need to go around isolating ourselves. There were movements to create laws against this. Where’ve they gone? This is why people like Farage pushed for Brexit, but they will find it will come back to bite them in the end. How can they make more green paper out of a collapsed civilization? What good does it do them anyway in that scenario? This is why we need sustainable economies.

Who would be enforcing the international law? How would you get all countries in the world to sign the agreements?

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 21:12

anon666 · 24/01/2026 21:05

Right, but I know of so many people who claim, end up in a dependency mindset, and then never work again.

People who, in the past, would never have dreamed of asking for support.

I'm neurodivergent, high functioning, high earning and financially secure. My two "disabled" friends were banging on at me about how my life was harder as a result, and I needed to apply for PIP.

When I said to them both "everyone can't be disabled" they said "yes they can". This opinion held when I calculated that on tbat basis maybe 50% of people could technically be disabled. They felt that in that case 50% need support.

I asked how is that affordable, amd the reply was "not my problem, that's just ableist. It's the law that we need equity and that means support to equal access to opportunities". 🤯

I would argue that I've had more than equal access, much more. Disability, neurodiversity and so on - none of these things define whether your opportunities were equal. We've gone so far down this rabbit hole, that the lights have gone out.

If they have been awarded PIP then they met the criteria and were entitled to it.

MNLurker1345 · 24/01/2026 21:19

Passaggressfedup · 24/01/2026 08:17

People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state
This statement comes up all the time when discussing the welfare state.

It brings up the question as to where personal responsibility ends and state responsibility needs to take over. This is the crux of our society. Each generation seem to put more responsibility of the state and less on them, and this is seen in every day life.

On one hand, every problem is someone else's fault and therefore for someone else to manage or repair.

On the other hand, more and more power is given on individuals, rather than society or the state to decide how the problem should be sorted.

In short: it's your problem State to deal with it, but I'll tell you how I want you to manage it. Of course, that will be in a way that benefits me as an individual not how it might better benefit society.

Thos has led to the definition of what constitute a disability. Getting a diagnosis of adhd or autism nowadays is very different to what it used to be. You tell the professional how you rick the boxes that you researched before the appointment and bingo, you've got the label. Same with anxiety and depression.

That label then opens the door to an expectation of an array of support from the State and anger when the State questions the need for it.

Until we go back to a societal mindframe that we, individuals are primarly responsible for meeting our needs and those of our family members, and supporting our State at the same time, rather than relying on the State as soon as a challenge falls upon us, we will see our society shrinking into a state of dependency.

Independent people must look after dependent people. What happens when suddenly they are more dependent than independent people to do so?

I do want to address this post, because it does address a difficult issue and as a result inspire a difficult but necessary conversation.

When we use the term “unpaid carers”, we are more often than not talking about family members.

The post also addresses the question of personal responsibility versus state responsibility. Where does responsibility for our own health and care lie? With ourselves and our families, and/or with the state?

At one end of life, ageing brings illness and dependency. At the other end, childhood diagnoses of ADHD, autism and other SEN increasingly shift responsibility very quickly to the state.

We now live in what feels like a pathological age.

Because we are all expected to be out working, we have transferred the burden of care for our family members in need to the state and expect/need to be paid for it, across the whole spectrum - those genuinely most in need and all the levels in between.

But the reality is that we are not paid — and even if we were, it would not be enough for most families to support themselves financially while also providing full time care for children, elderly parents or disabled relatives. So we can’t and we don’t.

This leads to an individualised and transactional way of living, which impacts on family relationships. Families, when intact, are strong and care for one another, broken families don’t, and the resulting fragmentation contributes directly to the pathologised society we are now living in.

What we are living through is not a welfare problem, but the destruction of the family structure and that is something the state cannot and will not deal with.

YesSirICanNameChange · 24/01/2026 21:22

anon666 · 24/01/2026 21:05

Right, but I know of so many people who claim, end up in a dependency mindset, and then never work again.

People who, in the past, would never have dreamed of asking for support.

I'm neurodivergent, high functioning, high earning and financially secure. My two "disabled" friends were banging on at me about how my life was harder as a result, and I needed to apply for PIP.

When I said to them both "everyone can't be disabled" they said "yes they can". This opinion held when I calculated that on tbat basis maybe 50% of people could technically be disabled. They felt that in that case 50% need support.

I asked how is that affordable, amd the reply was "not my problem, that's just ableist. It's the law that we need equity and that means support to equal access to opportunities". 🤯

I would argue that I've had more than equal access, much more. Disability, neurodiversity and so on - none of these things define whether your opportunities were equal. We've gone so far down this rabbit hole, that the lights have gone out.

You don't think disability defines whether our opportunities are equal?

So just to be clear, you think I have all the same opportunities as someone without a brain tumour and epilepsy?

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 21:23

Fearfulsaints · 24/01/2026 21:01

Why would working give you more money? You must see if you earn minium wage and pay a carer minium wage you have minus money, because your earnings are taxed? I think you"d need to earn 30k to pay one carer and have nothing left. If you have to have 2 carers full time which is very common, you'd need to earn 70k to cover thier salaries and have zero left. That's way in excesss of uk average salaries. So yes £80 a week is more than zero for those people.

Its not the same as parenting no and im embarresed for you that you think its the same.

The government do support parents through shared parental leave/mat leave for the time a non disabled child is most likely to need night time care. Carers allowance is much smaller than maternity allowance per week.

its much harder to peg feed a 20 year old who has peg fed every 3 hours for 20 years and use a hoist to help change them twice a night, then sort and administer thier kidney medicine without which they die, deal with a violent meltown when they decide its morning at 3am and get up and start vocalisng and want go go for a walk and are bigger than you.

I am very fortunate that isnt my life but I know many people for whom it is.

I promise I’m not trying to be insensitive, but do you really believe that it is in the best interests of that child, or their carer, for them to be kept alive through the use of a kidney machine?

Not all people in receipt of carers’ allowance are caring for someone who needs round the clock care.

Not all people who are in receipt of carers’ allowance are only able to get jobs at NMW.

YesSirICanNameChange · 24/01/2026 21:29

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 21:23

I promise I’m not trying to be insensitive, but do you really believe that it is in the best interests of that child, or their carer, for them to be kept alive through the use of a kidney machine?

Not all people in receipt of carers’ allowance are caring for someone who needs round the clock care.

Not all people who are in receipt of carers’ allowance are only able to get jobs at NMW.

I'm surprised it took us 36 pages to get to suggestions of economic euthanasia.

We had camps very early on in the thread though, so swings and roundabouts.

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 21:31

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 21:23

I promise I’m not trying to be insensitive, but do you really believe that it is in the best interests of that child, or their carer, for them to be kept alive through the use of a kidney machine?

Not all people in receipt of carers’ allowance are caring for someone who needs round the clock care.

Not all people who are in receipt of carers’ allowance are only able to get jobs at NMW.

Christ on a bike, this thread just gets worse.

Kirbert2 · 24/01/2026 21:31

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 21:23

I promise I’m not trying to be insensitive, but do you really believe that it is in the best interests of that child, or their carer, for them to be kept alive through the use of a kidney machine?

Not all people in receipt of carers’ allowance are caring for someone who needs round the clock care.

Not all people who are in receipt of carers’ allowance are only able to get jobs at NMW.

pp said kidney medicine, not kidney machine.

Though my son is 'kept alive' through parental nutrition which goes directly into his bloodstream overnight and I can assure you, it is in his best interests and mine that he receives it. His (large) medical team also agree.

LadyKenya · 24/01/2026 21:52

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 21:31

Christ on a bike, this thread just gets worse.

What is bad is the faux naivety that a poster is using, just to get their vile views across.

Gall10 · 24/01/2026 21:56

DotAndCarryOne2 · 24/01/2026 18:32

No. Disability benefits which include a mobility component are there for people who are disabled through disability, not age. That’s why you can’t make a fresh claim for PIP past retirement age. Attendance allowance is there for age related conditions and it doesn’t include a mobility component because it’s not appropriate.

Many elderly are just as disabled as young claimants…no pip or mobility allowance for them. Attendance allowance probably wouldn’t be enough to put petrol in a car!

Fearfulsaints · 24/01/2026 21:58

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 21:23

I promise I’m not trying to be insensitive, but do you really believe that it is in the best interests of that child, or their carer, for them to be kept alive through the use of a kidney machine?

Not all people in receipt of carers’ allowance are caring for someone who needs round the clock care.

Not all people who are in receipt of carers’ allowance are only able to get jobs at NMW.

Medicine. Not machine.

It isnt insensitive to suggest withdrawing medical treatment so he can die. Its sinister. This isnt a hypothetical young person. Its a real living man who love c beebies and dogs.

I already stated that many people continue to work and dont claim carers and that many people earn more than that and some would happily work for nothing for a break and that not all those in reciept of carers allowance have such high needs. But you asked why do some carers give up work and high care needs combined with low to average earnings or even high earning if two carers are required is one of the reasons some people cant work.

UserFront242 · 24/01/2026 22:00

Gall10 · 24/01/2026 21:56

Many elderly are just as disabled as young claimants…no pip or mobility allowance for them. Attendance allowance probably wouldn’t be enough to put petrol in a car!

PIP is a payment to enable disabled people independence including work. Pensioners, on the whole, do not work.

That is not to say I agree with how the system is.

ByCoralStork · 24/01/2026 22:06

This country is a joke and a free for all.

I know loads of people on PIP who don't deserve it. There's a few guys down my local pub on PIP and they have jobs on the side . Tradesman kinda work.

My mate Jim is on PIP has a flat.. he spends all his money on cocaine and alcohol. To be fair he does have mental illness but it's exacerbated by his substance abuse. Local authorities don't care. They just throw money into his bank account every week and month.

There's an immigrant woman living in the flat below my father she's arrived in the last few years. She's on benefits and god knows what. A taxi picks up one of her kids for school everyday.

I don't actually care anymore... Live and let live. 😂

RomeoRivers · 24/01/2026 22:07

YesSirICanNameChange · 24/01/2026 21:29

I'm surprised it took us 36 pages to get to suggestions of economic euthanasia.

We had camps very early on in the thread though, so swings and roundabouts.

Apologises, I misread medicine as machine.

It’s not about economics, it’s about quality of life.

Many people talk about experiencing loved ones being kept alive beyond having quality of life, through various interventions and medication. (My granny)

My best friend has behavioural variant ftd (dementia), she’s 36 and hasn’t had any quality of life since she was 30. It’s not sinister to know that it would be better not to prolong her life. Had she known this was coming, she would have gone to Switzerland to do it herself.

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