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Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn

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topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 14:25

Over the next five years, the OBR is forecasting that UK welfare spending will rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn.

How does everyone feel about this? I’m livid because I pay lots of tax. I don’t mind paying tax to maintain a civilised society - but this? This is surely taking the piss and will result in weaker and weaker services as the amount of £ available reduces day by day.

YANBU - it’s totally deranged. The every growing uk population can’t function effectively on such a benefits for all basis.

YABU - this welfare spending bill is truly representative of need.

Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn
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UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 20:07

Cappuccinodelight · 23/01/2026 20:06

I have been out of work and I didn't receive a penny in welfare. Guess I was not considered deserving of the privilege.

If you were on the bones of your arse, then I bet you would have claimed.
Did you even try? You don't get a medal for being a martyr.

Frequency · 23/01/2026 20:10

Do you realise we are fighting over scraps while the world is about to see its first trillionaire?

Stop looking down to see where all the money went and start looking up.

Happyjoe · 23/01/2026 20:17

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 20:07

If you were on the bones of your arse, then I bet you would have claimed.
Did you even try? You don't get a medal for being a martyr.

When I was out of work briefly 20-odd years ago I couldn't claim anything other than NI stamp as I lived with my b/f. Because I'd been self-employed for years and only paid type 2 NI contributions.

I actually thought it was unfair at the time because self-employed are only allowed to pay type 2.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 23/01/2026 20:17

Frequency · 23/01/2026 20:10

Do you realise we are fighting over scraps while the world is about to see its first trillionaire?

Stop looking down to see where all the money went and start looking up.

Agreed. A handful of people own the world's wealth and yet its those on benefits who should be forced back to the workhouse according to some posters.

FrightfulNightfull · 23/01/2026 20:20

@Unijourney
Not that it’s any of your business but my husband is a self- employed professional.
I am working 10 hours a week in term-time.
Is that ok with you?

Happyjoe · 23/01/2026 20:20

Frequency · 23/01/2026 20:10

Do you realise we are fighting over scraps while the world is about to see its first trillionaire?

Stop looking down to see where all the money went and start looking up.

Exactly this.

There is more than enough money to go around. Even in the UK our politicians (esp the last government) wasted billions, literally billions while ruining our services. How many doctors, hospitals and schools would that have bought?Should be made criminal to do that with our money, instead they get huge wages, huge perks and larger pensions than the rest of us.

Kitte321 · 23/01/2026 20:21

This trajectory is unsustainable. Welfare spending is rising far faster than the economy or tax base, driven by increased working-age health and disability claims and record economic inactivity.
The consequence is clear! fewer people working, weaker tax receipts, and deteriorating public services. Those paying record amounts of tax are receiving less and less in return. Surely, most agree that if benefits approach or exceed in-work income, participation falls and creates dependency? We seem to have normalised not working, while taxing a shrinking workforce more heavily.
The fix is not blanket cuts, but hard-headed reform. First, make work pay!! Lower marginal tax rates and ensure claimants are always better off in employment. Second, create some serious employment, retraining, and health-to-work support, not box-ticking but tangible help. Third, tighten and regularly reassess eligibility for long-term sickness benefits. While always protecting and ring fencing support for those with severe and life long disabilities.
Even modest increases in employment among current claimants would save billions, broaden the tax base, and improve services. A sustainable welfare state depends on contribution from all that can so that those who truly need it can be protected.

topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 20:22

Frequency · 23/01/2026 20:10

Do you realise we are fighting over scraps while the world is about to see its first trillionaire?

Stop looking down to see where all the money went and start looking up.

Yeah there’s the whole wealth inequality issue. No governments will tackle it. Meanwhile higher tax payers are fed up with funding the ballooning benefits bill.

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Chinsupmeloves · 23/01/2026 20:24

Raising the 2 child limit will have a huge impact on costs alone, meanwhile cutting down in other areas.

Frequency · 23/01/2026 20:29

topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 20:22

Yeah there’s the whole wealth inequality issue. No governments will tackle it. Meanwhile higher tax payers are fed up with funding the ballooning benefits bill.

The only way to tackle wealth inequality is to tax wealth. A trickle-down economy only works if those at the top let it trickle down.

In the UK, the top 1% of households hold 10% of private wealth. The top 10% hold 43% of the wealth. while the bottom 50% only have 9% between them.

But sure, keep on digging away at that 9% so the top 10% can keep hold of half of the country's private wealth.

remotefly · 23/01/2026 20:35

DogsbodyHumanHead · 23/01/2026 14:57

Typical @topicalaffair - you believe the first thing you see that agrees with your own views and make no effort to check anything out. This is the problem with this country - it's going the same way as the US and look who they ended up with in charge of their country.

Summary

  • The OBR did not forecast welfare spending rising from £73.2bn to £406.2bn.
  • Official OBR numbers show welfare rising from £313bn to £373bn over five years.
  • “Welfare” is a broad category dominated by the State Pension; narrower definitions can cause confusion.
  • The £406bn figure appears to be a misinterpretation or miscommunication rather than a real OBR forecast.
  1. *How accurate is the claim that the OBR “forecast” welfare spending rising from £73.2bn to £406.2bn?*
Nothing in the OBR’s November 2025 Economic and Fiscal Outlook resembles a forecast of welfare spending rising from £73.2bn to £406.2bn. The OBR’s published figures show something very different:
  • Total UK welfare spending in 2024/25 was forecast at £313.0bn.
  • Total welfare spending in 2029/30 was forecast at £373.4bn.
These are the official numbers. They are nowhere near £406bn, and the baseline is nowhere near £73bn. So where could £73.2bn → £406.2bn come from? There are a few possibilities: a) It may refer to a subset of welfare spending, not total welfare. The OBR breaks welfare into dozens of categories (pensions, disability benefits, UC, housing benefit, child benefit, etc.). Some individual lines can show large percentage changes if a policy change shifts costs between categories. But no major welfare line starts at £73bn and rises to £406bn. b) It may be a misreading of a table showing policy‑driven changes rather than total spending. The OBR often publishes tables showing the change relative to baseline over a multi‑year period. These can contain large cumulative numbers, but they are not forecasts of total spending. c) It may be a misinterpretation of DWP’s “benefit expenditure and caseload tables”. These tables contain many granular lines, but again, no line matches the £73bn → £406bn trajectory. d) It may simply be incorrect. Given the published OBR data, the most likely explanation is that the figure is either misquoted, misinterpreted, or refers to something other than welfare spending.
  1. What does “welfare” actually mean in UK public finance?
“Welfare” is a broad term, and this is where confusion often arises. In UK fiscal reporting: A. The OBR uses “welfare” to mean all social security spending, including:
  • State Pension
  • Pension Credit
  • Universal Credit
  • Disability benefits (PIP, DLA, AA)
  • Housing Benefit
  • Child Benefit
  • Carer’s Allowance
  • Statutory payments (maternity, sick pay, etc.)
This is why the total is so large (over £300bn). B. Journalists and politicians often use “welfare” to mean only working‑age benefits. This excludes the State Pension, which is by far the largest single item. C. The public often thinks “welfare” means only out‑of‑work benefits. This is the smallest definition and the source of most confusion. The key point: Nearly half of all “welfare” spending is the State Pension. This is why the OBR’s total welfare figure is over £300bn, not £70bn.
  1. How meaningful is the £406bn figure?
Given the official OBR forecasts, the £406bn number is not meaningful as a description of total welfare spending.
  • The OBR’s actual forecast for 2029/30 is £373.4bn, not £406bn.
  • The baseline is £313bn, not £73bn.
  • No OBR table shows a rise from £73bn to £406bn.
Unless Peston was referring to a very narrow and unusual subset of welfare spending—and even then the numbers look implausible—the figure does not reflect the OBR’s published forecasts.
  1. Why welfare spending is rising (according to the OBR)
The OBR attributes the rise to:
  • An ageing population (more pensioners)
  • Rising disability and health‑related benefit caseloads
  • Demographic pressures on UC and housing support
These drivers are explicitly discussed in the OBR’s November 2025 outlook.
  1. What does “welfare” actually mean in UK public finance?
  2. “Welfare” is a broad term, and this is where confusion often arises. In UK fiscal reporting: A. The OBR uses “welfare” to mean all social security spending, including:State Pension
  3. Pension Credit
  4. Universal Credit
  5. Disability benefits (PIP, DLA, AA)
  6. Housing Benefit
  7. Child Benefit
  8. Carer’s Allowance
  9. Statutory payments (maternity, sick pay, etc.)

Can I just point out sick pay is paid by employers not the state.

DemonsandMosquitoes · 23/01/2026 20:37

bathsmat · 23/01/2026 17:37

My relatives get AA, they legitimately qualify but they are also property millionaires so I’m not sure whether it should be means tested.

MY MIL worked five years her whole life. She’s now 84 with over £1m assets claiming nearly £450 per month in AA which she banks and doesn’t spend. Bonkers.

pointythings · 23/01/2026 20:47

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 20:02

No, the "non-disabled" include people who have care responsibilities. They actually save the tax payer a hell of a lot more than the meagre payment they get.
People who are between jobs are not living it up. Have a look at the rates of UC for a single person who is out of work. Could you live on that amount?
If you took that off of them, it does not mean they will suddenly find work. For starters, there is no work out there.

This. People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state. It's billions every single year. If you want to get those carers back to work by putting those families into institutions or neo-workhouses, that is going to cost the state more. Unless of course you're planning to genuinely replicate the original workhouses with the absolute worst of everything for the people living there. That might well be what some people on here want, alongside abolishing the NMW and kicking the poorest in society. As usual.

If you want everyone to participate in work to the greatest extent possible - and we do, because work is good for people! - then it's going to cost money, not save money.

Papyrophile · 23/01/2026 21:36

Kirbert2 · 23/01/2026 18:42

How would it work for those with food allergies or restricted diets due to medical reasons/part of their disability?

Would you include families with young children in this too? Or just single people?

Would those with severe disabilities be housed differently or in the same accommodation but with medical assistance and care?

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Sorry, but you are inventing reasons to object .. The majority of the population don't suffer. You are inventing excuses.

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 21:41

Happyjoe · 23/01/2026 20:20

Exactly this.

There is more than enough money to go around. Even in the UK our politicians (esp the last government) wasted billions, literally billions while ruining our services. How many doctors, hospitals and schools would that have bought?Should be made criminal to do that with our money, instead they get huge wages, huge perks and larger pensions than the rest of us.

Communism then?

LivingInMinecraft · 23/01/2026 21:45

Boomer55 · 23/01/2026 17:46

The highest amount of benefits paid out, without any contributions criteria, were UC and housing benefits.

Nice sneaky way there to misrepresent the fact that over half of the welfare budget, and almost 50% of total public spending, goes on over 65s when they make up only 15% of the population. They may have paid some tax but they have nowhere near covered their costs to the state as a cohort: there is an average real-terms shortfall of ~£300k per pensioner between their lifetime tax payments and the cost of benefits and services they have consumed over their lifetimes. I’m afraid that any discussion about public expenditure is pointless until this elephant is acknowledged and addressed.

Kirbert2 · 23/01/2026 21:46

Papyrophile · 23/01/2026 21:36

Sorry, but you are inventing reasons to object .. The majority of the population don't suffer. You are inventing excuses.

Last time I checked allergies, restricted diets due to medical reasons etc are not inventions.

YesSirICanNameChange · 23/01/2026 21:54

Papyrophile · 23/01/2026 21:36

Sorry, but you are inventing reasons to object .. The majority of the population don't suffer. You are inventing excuses.

Wait, so you think that these camps are a good idea, and that people with allergies etc are "invented"?

Frequency · 23/01/2026 22:00

Are there shared toilets in these "dormitories," and if so, will @Cappuccinodelight et al be using them?

I'm happy to eat a bowl of cheesy scrambled eggs and demonstrate the results of my imaginary egg allergy and lactose intolerance.

MandingoAteMyBaby · 23/01/2026 22:06

This is the result of our ageing demographics, but that’s taboo so let’s blame immigrants instead.

Starblind19 · 23/01/2026 22:18

And this right here this narrow mindedness is the exact reason hitlers like Trump are in power and sadly soon to be farage. When you think of this spending you think of Janet and her 4 kids down the street who has never worked. And a few of you thinking how awful it is that she sits on her arse and you have to go to work. However what you fail to see is the whole street has to effectively claim housing benefits just to keep up with the rental market. You don't see pensioners struggling to find money to eat and heat their houses. You don't see single mothers with no fathers around and having to make the choice between work and child care. This country doesn't care about you and it is in the process of eradicating the middle class. They want us poor kept down and blaming the asylum seekers and the Janet's of this world and at the end of the day the real issue is that we are so against each other we can't see that we are parroting the same stupid line of if we tax the rich they will be gone. Well good let them go let's make way for independent businesses this country has to change we have to stop blaming each other and stick together unless your in the top 5 per cent stop protecting the super wealthy they are walking all over us. The nhs is being dismantled and documented for us all to see on the tv and we still are not fighting against this corrupt government because this country is so angry at their bloody neighbours. How about we work together to enrich society and make childcare affordable. Make groceries affordable and renationalise energy and mail things that could bring in so much money. When you grow up around nothing and have nothing and everyone thinks that is your value you don't strive for anything better because what's the point. If I was younger and had no children I would be out of here there is nothing for anyone. Terrible Healthcare. Over crowded under funded schools, no job prospects, nursery is extortionate compared to some countries and the tax is ridiculous. We are so quick to look below us that we forget to look above. What we should be doing is reaching our hand down and pulling up the next person.

ElizaMulvil · 23/01/2026 22:46

EasternStandard · 23/01/2026 14:56

I’m not sure where the funds for that will come from.

The 35 families who have the same wealth as the 27 million poorest.

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 22:46

Starblind19 · 23/01/2026 22:18

And this right here this narrow mindedness is the exact reason hitlers like Trump are in power and sadly soon to be farage. When you think of this spending you think of Janet and her 4 kids down the street who has never worked. And a few of you thinking how awful it is that she sits on her arse and you have to go to work. However what you fail to see is the whole street has to effectively claim housing benefits just to keep up with the rental market. You don't see pensioners struggling to find money to eat and heat their houses. You don't see single mothers with no fathers around and having to make the choice between work and child care. This country doesn't care about you and it is in the process of eradicating the middle class. They want us poor kept down and blaming the asylum seekers and the Janet's of this world and at the end of the day the real issue is that we are so against each other we can't see that we are parroting the same stupid line of if we tax the rich they will be gone. Well good let them go let's make way for independent businesses this country has to change we have to stop blaming each other and stick together unless your in the top 5 per cent stop protecting the super wealthy they are walking all over us. The nhs is being dismantled and documented for us all to see on the tv and we still are not fighting against this corrupt government because this country is so angry at their bloody neighbours. How about we work together to enrich society and make childcare affordable. Make groceries affordable and renationalise energy and mail things that could bring in so much money. When you grow up around nothing and have nothing and everyone thinks that is your value you don't strive for anything better because what's the point. If I was younger and had no children I would be out of here there is nothing for anyone. Terrible Healthcare. Over crowded under funded schools, no job prospects, nursery is extortionate compared to some countries and the tax is ridiculous. We are so quick to look below us that we forget to look above. What we should be doing is reaching our hand down and pulling up the next person.

Feel better now?

Frequency · 23/01/2026 22:48

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 22:46

Feel better now?

Do you have any actual argument against @Starblind19 's post?

Trixibell1234 · 23/01/2026 23:23

I agree trickle down economics doesn’t work.

I also think something has gone wrong when rent is so expensive that working people need to get housing benefit to afford it.

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