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Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn

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topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 14:25

Over the next five years, the OBR is forecasting that UK welfare spending will rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn.

How does everyone feel about this? I’m livid because I pay lots of tax. I don’t mind paying tax to maintain a civilised society - but this? This is surely taking the piss and will result in weaker and weaker services as the amount of £ available reduces day by day.

YANBU - it’s totally deranged. The every growing uk population can’t function effectively on such a benefits for all basis.

YABU - this welfare spending bill is truly representative of need.

Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn
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SouthernNights59 · 23/01/2026 23:36

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 16:16

It just was not relevant, and was posted to get people frothing.
You can be on PIP and work.
You can be on PIP and be a drug addict.
You can work and be a drug addict.

Why shouldn't people froth? He has a job, and is getting extra money from the government, and can afford to buy drugs. It's worth frothing about imo. There are a lot of people who can barely afford the necessities of life, seeing others getting their drug habit funded is just a kick in the teeth.

KitTea3 · 24/01/2026 00:39

Unbelievable

15 pages after I I posted links to the massive increase in over 50s being unable to work due to ill health....

And not one comment on it.

Surely if the issue is people claiming sickness benefits you'd be aiming your vitriol at everyone not just the "young uns" (who coincidentally are actually claiming in much lower numbers the highest rise is actually those in their 30-late 40s...under 25s have actually lowered by comparison) .

ANYONE can become disabled at ANY age.

Do I want to be 39 and in constant pain/fatigue? No. Did I want to suffer from a severe depression and anxiety (thats ultimately almost literally killed me on more occasions that I want to count and covered my body in scars) for 29 years of that? No.

I could totally accept if I was 30+ years older and dealing with it..i understand that's part of aging. But it's pretty shit when you've got another 30+ years before you can even contemplate retiring and already be struggling with your health. (And before I get the obligatory well you shouldn't be on benefits good news for you-im not....yes I did used to get help but then I went back to work...and unfortunately being able to work albeit part time disqualifies me from any help 🤦‍♂️ irregardless of badly it affects me day to day)

sleepwouldbenice · 24/01/2026 01:21

rereturner · 23/01/2026 14:47

I’d want to know more about what costs come under this definition and the breakdown/proportion of spending on each aspect.

Id also add that, when attempting longer term projections of costs, it is a useful exercise - but pretty much the only thing you can guarantee is that the figure you come up with will turn out to be wrong in the end……

Exactly
ALWAYS challenge and contextualise numbers
there will be many issues

aging population (huge)
increased complex acuity ( the older people have many things wrong with them at once)
inflation
ill health, in turn caused by lifestyle, diet, lack of exercise, mental health, social media, covid legacy
immigration, but nowhere near as much as reform tell you, beware!!
changes in welfare rules eg 2 child cap, but also other less controversial measures that help people have capacity to retrain etc
increase in costs, not just inflation but housing pressures, driven in turn by the above
lack of regeneration
changes to skills and employment
austerity driven by huge financial turbulence

these are from the top of my head
there will be many more
then, how would you genuinely deal with these issues?

forget demonising those already in the above categories, most people couldn’t avoid it. Stop hating and blaming everyone else

How would YOU genuinely drive systemic change to counter all these issues in the medium term? Not just knee jerk reactions based on stereotypes

not so easy is it?

SquashedSquashess · 24/01/2026 05:57

Allseeingallknowing · 23/01/2026 18:54

I take it you refused or didn’t apply for a state pension then?

I’m 35 years off pensionable age. I expect eligibility for the state pension will have been tightened up by then, given that our welfare bill is unsustainable.

Thechaseison71 · 24/01/2026 06:08

DogsbodyHumanHead · 23/01/2026 14:57

Typical @topicalaffair - you believe the first thing you see that agrees with your own views and make no effort to check anything out. This is the problem with this country - it's going the same way as the US and look who they ended up with in charge of their country.

Summary

  • The OBR did not forecast welfare spending rising from £73.2bn to £406.2bn.
  • Official OBR numbers show welfare rising from £313bn to £373bn over five years.
  • “Welfare” is a broad category dominated by the State Pension; narrower definitions can cause confusion.
  • The £406bn figure appears to be a misinterpretation or miscommunication rather than a real OBR forecast.
  1. *How accurate is the claim that the OBR “forecast” welfare spending rising from £73.2bn to £406.2bn?*
Nothing in the OBR’s November 2025 Economic and Fiscal Outlook resembles a forecast of welfare spending rising from £73.2bn to £406.2bn. The OBR’s published figures show something very different:
  • Total UK welfare spending in 2024/25 was forecast at £313.0bn.
  • Total welfare spending in 2029/30 was forecast at £373.4bn.
These are the official numbers. They are nowhere near £406bn, and the baseline is nowhere near £73bn. So where could £73.2bn → £406.2bn come from? There are a few possibilities: a) It may refer to a subset of welfare spending, not total welfare. The OBR breaks welfare into dozens of categories (pensions, disability benefits, UC, housing benefit, child benefit, etc.). Some individual lines can show large percentage changes if a policy change shifts costs between categories. But no major welfare line starts at £73bn and rises to £406bn. b) It may be a misreading of a table showing policy‑driven changes rather than total spending. The OBR often publishes tables showing the change relative to baseline over a multi‑year period. These can contain large cumulative numbers, but they are not forecasts of total spending. c) It may be a misinterpretation of DWP’s “benefit expenditure and caseload tables”. These tables contain many granular lines, but again, no line matches the £73bn → £406bn trajectory. d) It may simply be incorrect. Given the published OBR data, the most likely explanation is that the figure is either misquoted, misinterpreted, or refers to something other than welfare spending.
  1. What does “welfare” actually mean in UK public finance?
“Welfare” is a broad term, and this is where confusion often arises. In UK fiscal reporting: A. The OBR uses “welfare” to mean all social security spending, including:
  • State Pension
  • Pension Credit
  • Universal Credit
  • Disability benefits (PIP, DLA, AA)
  • Housing Benefit
  • Child Benefit
  • Carer’s Allowance
  • Statutory payments (maternity, sick pay, etc.)
This is why the total is so large (over £300bn). B. Journalists and politicians often use “welfare” to mean only working‑age benefits. This excludes the State Pension, which is by far the largest single item. C. The public often thinks “welfare” means only out‑of‑work benefits. This is the smallest definition and the source of most confusion. The key point: Nearly half of all “welfare” spending is the State Pension. This is why the OBR’s total welfare figure is over £300bn, not £70bn.
  1. How meaningful is the £406bn figure?
Given the official OBR forecasts, the £406bn number is not meaningful as a description of total welfare spending.
  • The OBR’s actual forecast for 2029/30 is £373.4bn, not £406bn.
  • The baseline is £313bn, not £73bn.
  • No OBR table shows a rise from £73bn to £406bn.
Unless Peston was referring to a very narrow and unusual subset of welfare spending—and even then the numbers look implausible—the figure does not reflect the OBR’s published forecasts.
  1. Why welfare spending is rising (according to the OBR)
The OBR attributes the rise to:
  • An ageing population (more pensioners)
  • Rising disability and health‑related benefit caseloads
  • Demographic pressures on UC and housing support
These drivers are explicitly discussed in the OBR’s November 2025 outlook.

The OP said rising BY not rising FROM

SquashedSquashess · 24/01/2026 06:11

SorryImnotpsychic · 23/01/2026 19:38

His exact circumstances will be unique. I don’t know them all, just like I don’t know the full details of any other disabled people’s qualification, job or employment status and recognise that due to that it’s not appropriate for me to start making any judgements. That’s the point I’m making as this type of thread seems to always evolve into judging everyone disabled by one person that a certain poster knows who can work so that means all disabled people should be able to. Some workplaces are not open to reasonable adjustments, some are but colleague those needing adjustments are not happy about it and so on. It’s not straightforward all I’m saying is I have an open mind and wouldn’t assume it’s possible for everyone with a disability to work.

But I’ve not suggested everyone with a disability can work. I’ve said that many can / could:

So please could you detail the circumstances that would make this individual’s circumstances unique, rather than in fact being a workplace provision that could be offered to many physically disabled people across the UK?

Your position appears to be that many physically disabled people can’t work. But your rationale is weak and, frankly, lazy. Hiding behind “I don’t know everyone’s individual circumstances” is a cop out used when people just want to be nice, rather than examine hard facts.

If your position is that many physically disabled people could not ever be expected to work, please can you provide evidence to support that position. I’ve already evidenced my own position, of course you may not agree with it.

By the way, a workplace not being open to reasonable adjustments, or not implementing workplace adjustments because colleagues don’t like them, would be grounds for a claim under the Equality Act 2010. So I disagree with the assertion that workplace adjustments wouldn’t be made on those bases.

TigerRag · 24/01/2026 07:39

SquashedSquashess · 24/01/2026 06:11

But I’ve not suggested everyone with a disability can work. I’ve said that many can / could:

So please could you detail the circumstances that would make this individual’s circumstances unique, rather than in fact being a workplace provision that could be offered to many physically disabled people across the UK?

Your position appears to be that many physically disabled people can’t work. But your rationale is weak and, frankly, lazy. Hiding behind “I don’t know everyone’s individual circumstances” is a cop out used when people just want to be nice, rather than examine hard facts.

If your position is that many physically disabled people could not ever be expected to work, please can you provide evidence to support that position. I’ve already evidenced my own position, of course you may not agree with it.

By the way, a workplace not being open to reasonable adjustments, or not implementing workplace adjustments because colleagues don’t like them, would be grounds for a claim under the Equality Act 2010. So I disagree with the assertion that workplace adjustments wouldn’t be made on those bases.

But would you employ someone who constantly phones in because they've had another flare up of their disability which has left them too exhausted or in pain?

jasflowers · 24/01/2026 08:02

Childcare funding is set to double, its already 9 billion per year, much of which is going to quite well off families.

Funny how people want Welfare cut but not the stuff they claim for.

On disabled people working? Maybe they can but a business is there to make money, max profit, its not there to be a social service.

Remploy was closed down by the Tories under Austerity.

FreyasCats · 24/01/2026 08:12

What solution would work, do you think, for the old, disabled, the chronically poor? Starve us to death? Leave us on an isolated hillside somewhere in a snowstorm?

No matter how fortunate you are right now, or how immune you think you are, anyone can find themselves in a situation where they need help, especially after COVID. Many of those who gave their all to keep the population alive have had conditions triggered by either the disease or the vaccines and are now living with chronic consequences.

There's a nurse in my family who will never work again. Should we kick her out on the street and leave her to rot.

Passaggressfedup · 24/01/2026 08:17

People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state
This statement comes up all the time when discussing the welfare state.

It brings up the question as to where personal responsibility ends and state responsibility needs to take over. This is the crux of our society. Each generation seem to put more responsibility of the state and less on them, and this is seen in every day life.

On one hand, every problem is someone else's fault and therefore for someone else to manage or repair.

On the other hand, more and more power is given on individuals, rather than society or the state to decide how the problem should be sorted.

In short: it's your problem State to deal with it, but I'll tell you how I want you to manage it. Of course, that will be in a way that benefits me as an individual not how it might better benefit society.

Thos has led to the definition of what constitute a disability. Getting a diagnosis of adhd or autism nowadays is very different to what it used to be. You tell the professional how you rick the boxes that you researched before the appointment and bingo, you've got the label. Same with anxiety and depression.

That label then opens the door to an expectation of an array of support from the State and anger when the State questions the need for it.

Until we go back to a societal mindframe that we, individuals are primarly responsible for meeting our needs and those of our family members, and supporting our State at the same time, rather than relying on the State as soon as a challenge falls upon us, we will see our society shrinking into a state of dependency.

Independent people must look after dependent people. What happens when suddenly they are more dependent than independent people to do so?

Gingernaut · 24/01/2026 08:21

'Welfare' payments include pensions, pension credit, attendance allowance, PIP and NHS Continuing Care

The population is sliding towards older

Heyhelga · 24/01/2026 08:26

Ultimately since Covid and the resulting cost of living the West is on it's way to becoming another third world as exemplified by so many people not being able to survive on their income.

Countingcro · 24/01/2026 08:27

Frequency · 23/01/2026 20:29

The only way to tackle wealth inequality is to tax wealth. A trickle-down economy only works if those at the top let it trickle down.

In the UK, the top 1% of households hold 10% of private wealth. The top 10% hold 43% of the wealth. while the bottom 50% only have 9% between them.

But sure, keep on digging away at that 9% so the top 10% can keep hold of half of the country's private wealth.

As someone who came from poverty, who studied hard while getting beaten up for being swotty all through my shitty state schooling, then did uni and got a good job to earn that top 1% which probably puts me in the top 10% of wealth it does rather irritate me that those who did not a lot but beat me up at school are whining about being skint. What did you expect guys???

Yes there were quite a lot of people who were just intellectually incapable of good grades, but so many weren’t even remotely taking their lives seriously. I see these people when I visit my parents. So many people of working age hanging about in the middle of the day. What’s that all about out?

jasflowers · 24/01/2026 08:28

Passaggressfedup · 24/01/2026 08:17

People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state
This statement comes up all the time when discussing the welfare state.

It brings up the question as to where personal responsibility ends and state responsibility needs to take over. This is the crux of our society. Each generation seem to put more responsibility of the state and less on them, and this is seen in every day life.

On one hand, every problem is someone else's fault and therefore for someone else to manage or repair.

On the other hand, more and more power is given on individuals, rather than society or the state to decide how the problem should be sorted.

In short: it's your problem State to deal with it, but I'll tell you how I want you to manage it. Of course, that will be in a way that benefits me as an individual not how it might better benefit society.

Thos has led to the definition of what constitute a disability. Getting a diagnosis of adhd or autism nowadays is very different to what it used to be. You tell the professional how you rick the boxes that you researched before the appointment and bingo, you've got the label. Same with anxiety and depression.

That label then opens the door to an expectation of an array of support from the State and anger when the State questions the need for it.

Until we go back to a societal mindframe that we, individuals are primarly responsible for meeting our needs and those of our family members, and supporting our State at the same time, rather than relying on the State as soon as a challenge falls upon us, we will see our society shrinking into a state of dependency.

Independent people must look after dependent people. What happens when suddenly they are more dependent than independent people to do so?

All very well until its you up to arms in your mother's shit and piss, having to give up your job, not great if you have a mortgage or rent to pay is it?

Dealing with violence and dementia... the state isn't going to step in if all you need is some help to mow the lawn.

Caring is also a 24/7 job, the state at most, will give you 4 x 45min visits a day, the carer does the rest and if you caan manage to get a PT job to pay the bills, the state will take away your carers allowance, if you ever had it.

I don't think you ve a clue as to the mental and physical toll this takes on people.

Countingcro · 24/01/2026 08:30

Passaggressfedup · 24/01/2026 08:17

People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state
This statement comes up all the time when discussing the welfare state.

It brings up the question as to where personal responsibility ends and state responsibility needs to take over. This is the crux of our society. Each generation seem to put more responsibility of the state and less on them, and this is seen in every day life.

On one hand, every problem is someone else's fault and therefore for someone else to manage or repair.

On the other hand, more and more power is given on individuals, rather than society or the state to decide how the problem should be sorted.

In short: it's your problem State to deal with it, but I'll tell you how I want you to manage it. Of course, that will be in a way that benefits me as an individual not how it might better benefit society.

Thos has led to the definition of what constitute a disability. Getting a diagnosis of adhd or autism nowadays is very different to what it used to be. You tell the professional how you rick the boxes that you researched before the appointment and bingo, you've got the label. Same with anxiety and depression.

That label then opens the door to an expectation of an array of support from the State and anger when the State questions the need for it.

Until we go back to a societal mindframe that we, individuals are primarly responsible for meeting our needs and those of our family members, and supporting our State at the same time, rather than relying on the State as soon as a challenge falls upon us, we will see our society shrinking into a state of dependency.

Independent people must look after dependent people. What happens when suddenly they are more dependent than independent people to do so?

This in spades! My mum used to look after my gran because that’s what you do. She wasn’t expecting a cash handout for it and would take one. It would feel wrong.

Dragonflytamer · 24/01/2026 08:31

Frequency · 23/01/2026 22:48

Do you have any actual argument against @Starblind19 's post?

No point. In mentioned Hitler in the first line so the rest is bound to bullshit,.

LookingforMaryPoppins · 24/01/2026 08:32

topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 20:22

Yeah there’s the whole wealth inequality issue. No governments will tackle it. Meanwhile higher tax payers are fed up with funding the ballooning benefits bill.

This.......

I don't really have anything to add other than to agree that working should always make you better off. There needs to be incentive.

We seem to be be in a race to the bottom.

Anyone who needs to work to live is working class whether they are earning a below average, average or above average salary:

The "Rich" are those that earn a decent living from their assets / investments whether they get out of bed or not.

The current situation is a total mess and a general election is unlikely to do much (if anything) to improve matters. The whole political system needs to be overhauled, it's simply not fit for purpose.

38thparallel · 24/01/2026 08:36

Frequency · Yesterday 20:10
Do you realise we are fighting over scraps while the world is about to see its first trillionaire?
Stop looking down to see where all the money went and start looking up

How are we, in the UK, supposed to stop an American becoming a trillionaire?

SorryImnotpsychic · 24/01/2026 08:36

Passaggressfedup · 24/01/2026 08:17

People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state
This statement comes up all the time when discussing the welfare state.

It brings up the question as to where personal responsibility ends and state responsibility needs to take over. This is the crux of our society. Each generation seem to put more responsibility of the state and less on them, and this is seen in every day life.

On one hand, every problem is someone else's fault and therefore for someone else to manage or repair.

On the other hand, more and more power is given on individuals, rather than society or the state to decide how the problem should be sorted.

In short: it's your problem State to deal with it, but I'll tell you how I want you to manage it. Of course, that will be in a way that benefits me as an individual not how it might better benefit society.

Thos has led to the definition of what constitute a disability. Getting a diagnosis of adhd or autism nowadays is very different to what it used to be. You tell the professional how you rick the boxes that you researched before the appointment and bingo, you've got the label. Same with anxiety and depression.

That label then opens the door to an expectation of an array of support from the State and anger when the State questions the need for it.

Until we go back to a societal mindframe that we, individuals are primarly responsible for meeting our needs and those of our family members, and supporting our State at the same time, rather than relying on the State as soon as a challenge falls upon us, we will see our society shrinking into a state of dependency.

Independent people must look after dependent people. What happens when suddenly they are more dependent than independent people to do so?

That is not how you get an ASD diagnosis. The doctor will do an ADOS test !! You can’t trick that.

jasflowers · 24/01/2026 08:36

Countingcro · 24/01/2026 08:30

This in spades! My mum used to look after my gran because that’s what you do. She wasn’t expecting a cash handout for it and would take one. It would feel wrong.

So did my Gran, my mum said the house used to stink of shit.

People also lived shorter lives but the reality was, the vast majority of old people went to Geriatric Hospitals, huge wards, stuffed with the demented and infirm - awful places.

Motheranddaughter · 24/01/2026 08:50

I do think the policices of topping up wages with benefits and subsidising high rents are wrong but so difficult to turn back the clock on that
Also the way people don’t want to work more hours as they will get less benefits
Madness

Cappuccinodelight · 24/01/2026 08:52

Also the way people don’t want to work more hours as they will get less benefits
Madness

This could be stopped instantly.

YesSirICanNameChange · 24/01/2026 08:58

Passaggressfedup · 24/01/2026 08:17

People don't realise how much unpaid carers save the state
This statement comes up all the time when discussing the welfare state.

It brings up the question as to where personal responsibility ends and state responsibility needs to take over. This is the crux of our society. Each generation seem to put more responsibility of the state and less on them, and this is seen in every day life.

On one hand, every problem is someone else's fault and therefore for someone else to manage or repair.

On the other hand, more and more power is given on individuals, rather than society or the state to decide how the problem should be sorted.

In short: it's your problem State to deal with it, but I'll tell you how I want you to manage it. Of course, that will be in a way that benefits me as an individual not how it might better benefit society.

Thos has led to the definition of what constitute a disability. Getting a diagnosis of adhd or autism nowadays is very different to what it used to be. You tell the professional how you rick the boxes that you researched before the appointment and bingo, you've got the label. Same with anxiety and depression.

That label then opens the door to an expectation of an array of support from the State and anger when the State questions the need for it.

Until we go back to a societal mindframe that we, individuals are primarly responsible for meeting our needs and those of our family members, and supporting our State at the same time, rather than relying on the State as soon as a challenge falls upon us, we will see our society shrinking into a state of dependency.

Independent people must look after dependent people. What happens when suddenly they are more dependent than independent people to do so?

Lovely in theory, then your spouse gets a brain tumour and it all goes out the window.

LadyKenya · 24/01/2026 09:01

SouthernNights59 · 23/01/2026 23:36

Why shouldn't people froth? He has a job, and is getting extra money from the government, and can afford to buy drugs. It's worth frothing about imo. There are a lot of people who can barely afford the necessities of life, seeing others getting their drug habit funded is just a kick in the teeth.

He could be using that money for anything, for extra food, to heat his home, etc. Would that be ok, or is it only because he is allegedly using the money to buy drugs, that is the issue? Either way people will spend the money where they see fit, just as they do with their child benefit, pension, etc.

EasternStandard · 24/01/2026 09:05

Thechaseison71 · 24/01/2026 06:08

The OP said rising BY not rising FROM

Well spotted, I was wondering about that response

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