To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[Carla786]

I hope that if WW3 happened, I'd be brave enough to stay and fight. I love Britain & I'd hate to leave it or see it invaded by Putin.

However, at the same time I'm wondering about the recent rush of articles suggesting conflict with Russia is inevitable by around 2030 and that civilians need to prepare to be conscripted to fight if NATO is attacked. I'd always thought Britain being land-invaded was fairly unlikely, but being called up to fight in a NATO war widens the options of what might happen.

Countries that are less likely to be involved include Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland. I don't particularly want to move to any of these. If call-ups are likely to be imminent in about 4 years, I don't know..

The country I've always thought I'd move to if I did move is Poland (where I have family ties)- but of course that's far more likely to be involved in a potential war!

That’s attitude that many had before lockdown happened. Oh it won’t happen here, not in the uk, not in the west. ha ha!

To trivialise the possibility of a major conflict is not exactly clever, nor is catasrophising it.

Anything is possible.

Your quoted post was not trivialising the possibility of war. Some of us deal with stuff differently.

I think focusing on nature is a good way to be. Having worse MH doesn’t help anyone.

I moved to Austria and will move my fam there if something happens. It is an awesome place to live -
go and check it out and no you are not overreacting.

Not over-reacting. Or being unreasonable. These are scary times and getting worse. So far my planning has only extended to thinking about buying water purification treatment and a wind up radio.

😆 Same.

I have family in Austria and the are worried about the far right movement. Does that concern you?

I honestly wonder if less than 1% in the UK haven't buried their heads deep in the sand.

it doesn't matter how old the OP is, what she's saying here is from non-alarmist and increasingly concerned, trained and experienced people.

Have people forgotten the Russian cyber attack on the NHS that led to at least one death at the time and due to missed and messed up appointments, likely more later? and a huge cost? https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2025/01/15/808371.htm

Poland only just averted a mass attack on electrical generation facilities before Christmas.

Russia has been messing in UK politics for decades - proven. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_British_politics and it's only got worse since.

never mind oh, let's see, the Skripal affair where a british person died.

Underwater internet cables are cut as a threat. We are so dependent on the internet now!

The is a campaign to send parcel bombs in Europe ... and people seem to think that none of Putin's hostility will ever affect them. It already has and he hates the UK more not less.

Russian attacks at a low level on the UK are constant, unfortunately. The OP seems to be one of the few on the thread who aren't sticking their heads in the sand.

Oh I am quite aware of those things.
What do you think we should do beyond stockpiling and being cyberaware?
Hard for most of us to up sticks and move to Europe or NZ. Doubt OP will either.

Are you in the U.K. How much do you think about and worry about this in your daily life?

Good god @ArseInTheCoOpWindow The world is burning and you’re thinking about your tits! 🤣

Good grief, the war justification propaganda machine has really done a number on you.

Of course Putin takes a personal interest in local UK government elections. They're absolutely fucking fascinating, when they are allowed to take place.

@TomeletteswithGreggs judging by the replies on this thread, honestly I think that the government should actually be laying out honestly what exactly is going on, more clearly.

Then perhaps the general awareness level of what's happening might rise and you'd get less what can only be called uninformed responses, and more willingness to engage with the concept that 1) Russia is ~not~ too bogged down in Ukraine to consider invading anywhere else 2) we don't have to do anything (such as sending weopons to Ukraine) for Russian to hate us anyway, just for existing 3) the UK economy is not self-sufficient and 'we're alright and don't want to get involved' is pure blindness.

Did you even bother to read up the links? It's happened in Scotland, it's happened elsewhere.

Nathan Gill, former Reform MP in Wales, took bribes from Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87l5nq93wno

There is a LOT of Russian influence in the UK and to pretend there isn't is a lie

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9472/

Sigh.

It's just all so meaningless and predictable. You all follow the same script and repeat the same "facts."

Of course Russia is behind everything wrong with the unimpeachable and beautifully-run UK run by honest to goodness non-thieves who don't just point the finger at the great Eastern bogeyman every time their inadequacies and failures are exposed.

As opposed to denying what's actually happened, like the NHS attack?

Like the Skripal attack?

And if I had said millions someone would have said I was over exaggerating and would like exact stats of displaced people 🤷🏻‍♀️

And how so you think you will move there? Brexit has scuppered most of those chances

I live in Minnesota so it feels like civil war is going to break out any minute any way. For my state’s people who aren’t white, it probably feels like it already has.

I love this state but I don’t love this country anymore. But I don’t want to leave because then “they” win, plus who would take a non-wealthy low skilled American right now anyway?

If there’s an issue a lot of the EU is closer anyway.

Not trivialising anything.

Mithering about the subject of potential war on opinion forums achieves nothing except instilling an ongoing level of anxiety.

All the blabbing about lockdown before it happened changed nothing.

Much better to get on with real life, try to take real world action to improve things and then relax and enjoy the moment - because it's all we really have.

It’s so unlikely to me that I don’t even think about it. Russia is struggling with Ukraine. Why would they think of attacking another country?

Makes no sense.

Clearly no geo-political skills 🤣🤣🤣

Agree re Ireland. Whilst we hold a neutral status and are not members of NATO we are very much allies of UK and USA. Reliant on UK to protect our airspace and the US airforce using Shannon airport our neutrality won’t hold in the event of WW3.

I might consider moving to Ireland if I and my family wanted to. I doubt my DC would though. Not because of Putin though.