To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[Carla786]

I hope that if WW3 happened, I'd be brave enough to stay and fight. I love Britain & I'd hate to leave it or see it invaded by Putin.

However, at the same time I'm wondering about the recent rush of articles suggesting conflict with Russia is inevitable by around 2030 and that civilians need to prepare to be conscripted to fight if NATO is attacked. I'd always thought Britain being land-invaded was fairly unlikely, but being called up to fight in a NATO war widens the options of what might happen.

Countries that are less likely to be involved include Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland. I don't particularly want to move to any of these. If call-ups are likely to be imminent in about 4 years, I don't know..

The country I've always thought I'd move to if I did move is Poland (where I have family ties)- but of course that's far more likely to be involved in a potential war!

And therefore NATO what?

The second he invades Greenland NATO would surely cease to exist if one member state attacks / invades another?

YANBU. It feels hopeless and I think about it all the time. I wish Starmer would stop inserting himself in Ukraine and provoking Russia. It’s none of our business, and it’s impossible for Ukraine to win without extensive outside support, which essentially guarantees WW3. It’s really, really not worth all our lives supporting Ukraine to save a few regions of their territory.

Wars are always started by governments and inflicted upon civilians. If Starmer and top military men want to fight Russia. then they and their offspring should be first on the frontline.

It doesn't really exist anyway as a reason for the USA to fill Europe with soldiers, military bases, etc. Why would that change?

Sometimes the threat comes from an unexpected place.

I don’t think ww3 will be like the others. It’s more likely to be cyber attacks, cutting off water supplies. Look at the chaos south east water have been responsible for recently! And if there was actual “fighting”, it’s more likely to be airstrikes. Russia isn’t going to come all the way over here and land on foot.
anyway, you’re better off going to a tiny island somewhere. But then you have weather issues, so no where is safe really! Just get on with your life and stop worrying.

Yeah, we really should just let other countries just get on with it. We should have just let the Germans get across Europe, not our business. 🙄

In theory yes it’s good to help in reality there’s no way Russia won’t get exactly what they want. It would be better to just evacuate all civilians and accept the loss. Rather than spending ££££££ on military assistance to fight a war that’ll be lost get the people out to supporting countries and use that money to resettle them. Sometimes there’s a bigger picture.

I dont think Putin has the big plans everyone thinks he does. Trump on the other hand …

A country can be as neutral as it likes and still be invaded by nutters. Nowhere is safe frankly so just live for today .....

Is this another propaganda post masquerading as something else?

"Oh no, war is inevitable, where would you move to?" With a reminder about conscription. It's all part of the softening up process so that people will see sending their children to die as necessary.

I wonder why OP isn't asking why no one is talking about diplomacy to prevent a war?

Nowhere would have me even if I wanted to go. All the neutral countries also have different problems to deal with, even if it isn’t war. Climate change, authoritarianism, violence.

How old and what sex are you? What do you envisage if it all kicks off, hiding in a safe country until the dust settles then returning to face those who stayed and fought?

I’m more worried about the US at the moment. I feel like I’m living in an alternate reality.

This is a nice haul. I understand why you feel relieved to be far but even though we have the option it’s still nice here and so much to make us stay. I do think about it sometimes though, and make sure passports are up to date.

In the zone if not living I do as the pp and focus more on nature / garden / daily life then worry too much otherwise you ruin your MH

The elephant in the room is the moment things escalate to alarm you enough to leave you won't be able to!

You wouldn't be able to leave the UK nor would any country take you in legally.

One of the first things countries do is close their borders.

So you would need to cross the Channel illicitly and try to avoid being arrested in Europe and interned (if you're lucky).

The chance of getting to somewhere remote like NZ illicitly must be zero.

So truly if you're thinking ahead about this you need to move to your chosen "safe country" ASAP. Get the applications in NOW.

Read some history OP. In WW2 untold millions of people all through Europe were displaced, on the move, trying to find safety. Very, VERY few made it into Neutral countries nor were they welcomed with open arms if they succeeded.

Honestly you're in total fantasy land on this unless you get going urgently. If you're really lucky some country may accept you - but get cracking!

And the neutral countries won’t necessarily be safe either .

I don’t think planning ahead is the answer. Trump is possibly trying for that now. No other country can stand up to him and he knows it. I also don’t think any country will necessarily be safe. Many countries won’t just let you move there.

Exactly! The OP seems to think that bombs, Chemical weapons, Internet attacks etc etc all stop at border crossings! 😂

Putin will be dead by 2030. Stop reading nonsense.

Idk. You could move to New Zealand to avoid Putin, then Trump could declare war on New Zealand because "sheep are anti-Freedom" or something.

Nowhere would have me now when this plan is justvabout workable, let alone if war is immenet. Im stuck trying to make where I live ok. I dont have any shortage skills and I dont have enough cash in the bank. All my money is tied up in a house which presumably wouldnt be worth much in place where war is about to kick off and very hard to liquidate.

I did have an idea to go to chile at one point in my life for other reasons though

Think of Michel Thomas, who escaped from Poland and ended up via a very dangerous route in France, just before it capitulated to the Nazis.

Of course not. All borders close at the first serious signs of trouble ahead so their Governments can plan and organise for their people. They won't want untold numbers rocking up expecting the same protection as existing citizens - and of course sleeper agents and saboteurs will try and infiltrate. You could be executed as an enemy alien by the country you are seeking to save your sorry arse.

How old are you and do you have children ?
Assume you are female so unlikely you would be conscripted if you are bringing up children .
If you don't have children , then of course there is always the possibility , and a worry if you have late teenage children .