To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[Carla786]

I hope that if WW3 happened, I'd be brave enough to stay and fight. I love Britain & I'd hate to leave it or see it invaded by Putin.

However, at the same time I'm wondering about the recent rush of articles suggesting conflict with Russia is inevitable by around 2030 and that civilians need to prepare to be conscripted to fight if NATO is attacked. I'd always thought Britain being land-invaded was fairly unlikely, but being called up to fight in a NATO war widens the options of what might happen.

Countries that are less likely to be involved include Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland. I don't particularly want to move to any of these. If call-ups are likely to be imminent in about 4 years, I don't know..

The country I've always thought I'd move to if I did move is Poland (where I have family ties)- but of course that's far more likely to be involved in a potential war!

India are also periodically facing off with Pakistan, not to mention instability within the country for many reasons : rape, religious conflict etc

The Cold War did bring us close though. We look back & know we were OK but that was not a foregone conclusion, could easily have gone the other way.

Nope, I’m banking on them nuking my city so I don’t need to deal with it! Definitely a different approach. No point worrying about these things

As pps have said, if war were imminent borders would be closed.

If you really want to avoid war, you'd need to move earlier.

Thank you, I thought that pp was hyperbolic.

How safe is Thailand though?

It seems a really nice place in several ways but it is highly subject to military coups, the king wields such power criticising him can land someone in jail, and democracy has been seriously backsliding in the past few years.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/20/giant-rubber-ducks-become-symbol-of-thai-pro-democracy-rallies

I'm sure it's probably safe if you keep your head down...

Moreover, though, it's near China. If there were a war in Asia, Thailand might be dragged in some way or other.

Then you should have the sense to look at a map and see that with modern armaments nowhere is "safe", we live on a very small planet. It's not a question of being some kind of brave superhero, in times of war, ordinary people just have to do the best they can, in any way they can.

@Carla786 do you ever sleep? I've been learning a lot from your posts, so thanks 👍

Ukraine is not WW3.

I missed that comment about NATO and the Falklands..so sorry for chipping in late.

As you say the attack in 82 wasn't in Europe and in the context of NATO that matters, it's all made clear in Article 6 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

That said the UK/HM Forces did get some sometimes very valuable support both during the conflict and afterwards from some NATO members...

Yes the UK and Ireland have a mutual agreement where citizens of each country have freedom of movement between the two. You could move to ireland today with no need for a visa

Why? Do you think they invented the speech?

Putin will be more desperate (for a political win, which may be what saves him from his domestic enemies), with less to gain from maintaining good relations with Europe (that ship has sailed), facing a divided Nato (thanks to Trump) and a militarily feeble Europe (thanks to Europe).

The Russia threat is not an invention of Trump (in fact he’s often downplaying it, depending on the day of the week).

I dont know. But they prided themselves on being less corrupt than other south american countries and felt very stable overall.

In terms of world peace i havent looked into it, they have a lot of ports, copper and trade with China so that could piss trump off

I don't think Putin is our biggest threat right now.
I think the US wants us to believe that.

Well I've just had a quick look at the requirements for emigrating to NZ...........you've got your work cut out for you to succeed OP!

It would be really difficult in the current climate. If the global geopolitical situation worsens it'll get much more difficult obviously.

Your idea of finding safety in NZ in the event of things getting worse is, frankly, la-la land fantasy.

It's not an action most people will consider based on mithering on social media.

You're really worked up over this.

Touch grass.

So does @Carla786 .

OP is
a) a very motivated (for some reason) scaremongerer/propagandist,
b) someone who hasn't lived through the ups and downs of the last 70 years and come to realise through experience and maturity that if you fret yourself silly ever time the world situation takes a dive you will never enjoy a beautiful sunrise.
c) both.

My money is on A.

The main risk of a big war remains the Middle East. Sectarian religion squabbles hold no rules. Just tit for tat.

Away from that one to watch for is this Greenland thing escalating into Trump pulling the US out of NATO. That would indeed give Putin a green light to go in on the Baltic nations.

I don't think China would go into Taiwan whilst the US offers a security guarantee. China know their economy, and indeed the global economy, would go pear shaped if they went into direct conflict with the US.

Some people on this thread seem to think they're very special. They can enjoy their lives in the UK until the UK is on the brink of war, and then they can swan off to the safe country of their choice. It doesn't seem to occur to them that by that stage vast numbers of other people will have emigrated or be trying to emigrate and immigration systems will probably have shut down.

What do you think our biggest threat is right now?

Shhh stop talking about NZ, we're trying to hide behind Australia here 🫣😁

Would swap you for Peter Thiel though, would give me great pleasure to deny him his bought-and-paid-for bolthole.

I will go to Switzerland, but I am Swiss and have a place there. With a shelter…

Maybe it’s best to just keep as calm as you can and live your life as best as you can, as you can’t control any of this stuff.

I mean this kindly, but you seem pretty anxious over something that’s completely out of your control and probably not likely to happen soon, for all the reasons discussed here. It might be helpful to get therapy to help manage that anxiety.