To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[Carla786]

I hope that if WW3 happened, I'd be brave enough to stay and fight. I love Britain & I'd hate to leave it or see it invaded by Putin.

However, at the same time I'm wondering about the recent rush of articles suggesting conflict with Russia is inevitable by around 2030 and that civilians need to prepare to be conscripted to fight if NATO is attacked. I'd always thought Britain being land-invaded was fairly unlikely, but being called up to fight in a NATO war widens the options of what might happen.

Countries that are less likely to be involved include Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland. I don't particularly want to move to any of these. If call-ups are likely to be imminent in about 4 years, I don't know..

The country I've always thought I'd move to if I did move is Poland (where I have family ties)- but of course that's far more likely to be involved in a potential war!

Yes agreed but I wouldn’t move to Canada to escape war but for other reasons, that’s my point.

Well that skill/profession is limited in jurisdiction - it isn’t easy to shift countries as a lawyer.

Yes, that's a good point.

Carla786 · Today 20:50

Theroadt · Today 20:36
Well that skill/profession is limited in jurisdiction - it isn’t easy to shift countries as a lawyer.

Yes, that's a good point.

Had you not thought of that before?

I'm just slowly thinking this through..I only became increasingly suspicious in the last few months of the potential for NATO war in the next few years.

My fear is far less about Russia and much more about the UK following the US into every conflict, refusing to stand for anything, bowing to the super rich and big business, and becoming increasingly intolerant and right wing. If the USA is us in twenty years, I'm very glad to give my kids a parachute to GTF outta here

We will see what attitudes it unleashes in the populace. I look at the US and it does not make me hopeful.

This is my stance, swapping the UK for Australia-- though the UK is even more enmeshed and spineless in tagging along with the USA's continuing imperial wars.

This puffy faced prick commands our kids to go die in America's wars, and we are supposed to stand by and seal clap that?

@MangaKanga agree I don't want my kids fighting in the name of Trump. But think that's much more likely under a Reform govt given how much a power crazed bully (/friend of Trump) Farage is.

Tbh no I don’t worry about it but the point on geography and neutrality is a good one. You’d need to be in a different continent!

Plus good luck immigrating into Switzerland without a large income.

Farage, Starmer- two equally unprincipled lily-handed arseholes.

Farage will accelerate the rot, 100%.

I lived in NZ at the time. NZ was there, but I believe in a peace keeping capacity later. I don't know or remember the exact details and don't care to look them up. Australia and NZ have always worked closely and if Australia goes, NZ is likely to go. In the event of a WW3, I think it would be a false sense of security to think you could hide out in NZ. That said, the situation in NZ during the WWs was very different than it was in Britain at the time and I know where I'd rather have been then.

New Zealand did not invade Iraq. It was huge news in Australia at the time, with some media painting them as cowards and undeserving of any inclusion in trade deals with other coalition countries. Later revelations about the utter illegality of the invasion proved them fully right in not participating in US/UK war crimes there.

They didn't invade but I'm sure they have been there as peacekeepers later, but there's been more than one war in that area, so I don't know which is which. Move to NZ then, hopefully you find your place there and love it. You will also find they have their own, different, issues and concerns. No place is perfect.

I think it would be a false sense of security to think you could hide out in NZ.

Particularly if NZ joins AUKUS Pillar 2.

Why do you think Switzerland would take you? It is hard enough to get in there now, let alone in an emergency when tons of others with priority like already being a citizen or some prior link would be.

Each Swiss citizen has a bunker btw.

Switzerland is not like the UK where anyone can just come over illegally whether we like it or not.

I think we're kind of doomed either way I'm afraid.

The biggest problem has turned out to be the US, Putin seems less of a nut in comparison, unbelievably.

For me, the best option is to stick my head deep in the sand and pretend nothing at all is happening.

There are illegal immigrants everywhere. Switzerland is no exception.

What 80s and 90s conflicts do you think I'm uninformed about?

I find your unmarked map question odd.

I ofc know where ROI is., right next to the UK & joined to NI. NZ ditto, next to Australia. Iceland is an island north of Europe- I've always thought its shape is a bit like a dragon. I know I could identify it on a map. And Uruguay is at the very bottom of South America, below Argentina & Brazil.

Austria I'm less certain I could place exactly on a map, I know it's right of Germany. Switzerland I know the general area it's in but probably could not place it exactly. I've ruled out both Austria & Switzerland anyway as I'm not convinced that they're likely to remain uninvolved in a potential European war.

I've ruled out Switzerland anyway, I don't think they are necessarily a safer country if war breaks out.

Come on, I despise Trump but I think it's unlikely he wants to invade swathes of Eastern Europe the way Putin seems to wish to do.

If he invades Greenland that's obviously horrible though. I only hope he doesn't have anyone else on that list.. Not to mention tye damage that would do to NATO.

I've ruled Switzerland out anyway as I'm not convinced they are necessarily a safer kind of country if war breaks out

Good point, that must be considered.

If Putin starts a war, how would that be America's war?

Yes, I also don't think Switzerland is necessarily safer. I've ruled it out.