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Per se

77 replies

YourFairCyanReader · 16/01/2026 16:39

I first learned the phrase 'per se' when I was at school, and at that time hardly anyone ever used it. It was considered a bit pretentious.
Over the last year I keep hearing it. I even heard my teenaged kids use it. I keep seeing it on threads here.

AIBU to think Per se is now entering common parlance, for the first time?

Why is this?

Any other Latin phrases on the ascendant?

OP posts:
Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:42

TheBlueKoala · 16/01/2026 20:42

Anon as in anonymous or soon?

Soon/later

5128gap · 16/01/2026 20:54

grumpygrape · 16/01/2026 20:27

Is that anything like squid pro quo ?

Think so. Prefer a nice carpe diem myself though.

HelenaWilson · 16/01/2026 20:55

Nunc est bibendum.

Veneris est!

canklesmctacotits · 16/01/2026 21:23

Ad nauseam and ad infinitum - normally when referencing the number of times I’ve asked my DC to do/not do the same bloody things 🙄

MammaTill2Pojkar · 16/01/2026 21:28

5128gap · 16/01/2026 20:54

Think so. Prefer a nice carpe diem myself though.

Carpe noctum!

DappledThings · 16/01/2026 21:28

Maddi1234 · 16/01/2026 19:46

O tempora, o mores

Oh Times! Oh Daily Mirror!

(That's a Flanders and Swann quote for the uninitiated)

puppyparent · 16/01/2026 21:35

DH and I are both lawyers so we love a little latin phrase here and there. But I’d say the ones I hear most often are things like et cetera, ad hoc, bona fide, vice versa, quid pro quo, status quo, vice Vera, per capita… but none of this is new. People use latin all the time

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/01/2026 21:51

I love Latin.

Ceteris paribus, it's gratifying to witness the confusion in somebody's face when somebody who looks and sounds like me uses Latin, Greek or makes a reference to classical civilisations.

BunnyLake · 16/01/2026 21:54

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 16:53

Closely linked to the execrable 'ect'.

Someone on tv recently said escape goat. First time I have actually heard someone say it. He was a grown man not a child, it made me laugh but I probably wouldn’t have corrected him in real life. (Yes, not Latin but still).

pouletvous · 16/01/2026 22:24

What about en route? Or on route?

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 16/01/2026 22:48

Oh nearly midnight here...
Tempus fugit.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 16/01/2026 22:48

Oh nearly midnight here...
Tempus fugit.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 16/01/2026 22:49

Oh nearly midnight here...
Tempus fugit.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 16/01/2026 22:50

Problemus wifius.

Worralorra · 16/01/2026 22:53

It’s 100% better than the over-used “like”!

EBearhug · 16/01/2026 22:56

I had a brain melt today and could not remember how to spell quorum.

I can accept ect if someone is obviously referencing Molesworth. Most times they are just wrong, though.

A manager at work was asking what had gone wrong with something - "oops, mea culpa," I replied. He complained he had had to look up mea culpa, but if I'd have said "my bad," he'd have understood. I do not think he had learnt much about me in the decade or so that we had worked together, if he thought I was a "my bad" type of person. I didn't have to explain to any of my European colleagues what mea culpa meant, just the British ones, who just complained rather than thanking me for expanding their knowledge.

NooNooHead · 16/01/2026 23:04

FullLondonEye · 16/01/2026 18:57

I don't think what you're noticing is an increased use of 'per se', I believe it's actually the introduction of 'persay', used liberally and incorrectly by those hoping to sound intelligent but with all the mental capacity of a loaf of bread.

"...mental capacity of a loaf of bread"! I love this! 😆🤣 and agree, the people who misuse "per se" clearly don't use their loaf (loaves) at all... *

PassportPanicFuuuck · 16/01/2026 23:05

GeneralPeter · 16/01/2026 16:49

Tempora mutantur, innit.

Is that something to do with prawns? 🤔

Lightwell · 17/01/2026 00:07

I don't like persay per se, but it's still better than "Yay or nay?"

InterestedDad37 · 17/01/2026 00:10

GeneralPeter · 16/01/2026 16:49

Tempora mutantur, innit.

Ut Bobus Dylanus dixit.

KimberleyClark · 17/01/2026 00:13

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 16:53

Closely linked to the execrable 'ect'.

When I see “ect” I assume the writer has read the Molesworth books, which are deliberately misspelt. Gosh chiz.

parthyphibday · 17/01/2026 00:23

Flavia est puella Romana

HelenaWilson · 17/01/2026 06:15

Winnie ille Pu sub nomine Sandersi solus in silva habitabat.

Piglet89 · 17/01/2026 06:32

When I say “per ce”, my husband always replies, “Don’t call me Percy”.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 17/01/2026 06:41

The only bit of Latin I can remember from school translated to
'the Barbarians are attacking the ramparts'
I phrase I tried to get into many conversations whilst on holiday in Italy, with little effect, I just don't think they care anymore.