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Per se

77 replies

YourFairCyanReader · 16/01/2026 16:39

I first learned the phrase 'per se' when I was at school, and at that time hardly anyone ever used it. It was considered a bit pretentious.
Over the last year I keep hearing it. I even heard my teenaged kids use it. I keep seeing it on threads here.

AIBU to think Per se is now entering common parlance, for the first time?

Why is this?

Any other Latin phrases on the ascendant?

OP posts:
RobertaFirmino · 16/01/2026 19:12

There's a cafe near me with a board outside declaring they serve 'tea, coffee, ect'. I think that's quite handy, you could have your treatment-resistant depression seen to then have a nice sit down and a cup of tea afterwards.

Pigtailsandall · 16/01/2026 19:19

RobertaFirmino · 16/01/2026 19:12

There's a cafe near me with a board outside declaring they serve 'tea, coffee, ect'. I think that's quite handy, you could have your treatment-resistant depression seen to then have a nice sit down and a cup of tea afterwards.

Haha.

My Finnish second cousin told me once that "per se" (or maybe just "perse"?) means arse in Finnish

EveryKneeShallBow · 16/01/2026 19:19

I say it and so does my wife

5128gap · 16/01/2026 19:26

I like apropos as its quicker. I like reductio ad absurdum for the same reason. I see mea cupla used a bit, usually ironically, and it makes a nice change from the hideous 'my bad'.

TheBlueKoala · 16/01/2026 19:31

5128gap · 16/01/2026 19:26

I like apropos as its quicker. I like reductio ad absurdum for the same reason. I see mea cupla used a bit, usually ironically, and it makes a nice change from the hideous 'my bad'.

À propos it's mea culpa.

5128gap · 16/01/2026 19:36

TheBlueKoala · 16/01/2026 19:31

À propos it's mea culpa.

Lapsus calami.

unbelievablybelievable · 16/01/2026 19:42

Caecilius est mendax!

(That's all I remember)

JaneJeffer · 16/01/2026 19:46

NearCanongate · 16/01/2026 18:55

That should have been quando. Wretched autocorrect! And I don't know the Latin for butter so I had to go with oil.

Irish oil? 😆

Maddi1234 · 16/01/2026 19:46

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 16:53

Closely linked to the execrable 'ect'.

O tempora, o mores

NearCanongate · 16/01/2026 19:54

JaneJeffer · 16/01/2026 19:46

Irish oil? 😆

Yes it should have been oleum Caledoniae.

I always did mix those two up!

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:14

Haven't noticed much Latin showing up but I do love 'heretofore' and 'anon'. Especially the former as it's economical.
'Literally' is my pet peeve because it's rarely anything akin to literal.

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:17

Actually, 'ergo' shows up fairly frequently these days.

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:18

Rus in urbe too

Pigtailsandall · 16/01/2026 20:19

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:14

Haven't noticed much Latin showing up but I do love 'heretofore' and 'anon'. Especially the former as it's economical.
'Literally' is my pet peeve because it's rarely anything akin to literal.

That, and "obviously" it's never obvious. I have a colleague who starts every sentence with "obviously". I can't bear it

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:22

Pigtailsandall · 16/01/2026 20:19

That, and "obviously" it's never obvious. I have a colleague who starts every sentence with "obviously". I can't bear it

Edited

I know! Nails on a chalkboard 😬
When someone says 'literally' , it takes every bit of strength I have not to say, "Oh gosh, that sounds horrific! I would have assumed you meant figuratively!"

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:24

@RobertaFirmino So funny! 😂

Dontlletmedownbruce · 16/01/2026 20:26

I use it a bit. I thought it was commonly used to be honest. I say quid pro quo a lot, and vice versa. In vino veritas (love that). I've noticed DH says quasi a bit. God we sound pretentious!!

Not Latin, but the word nonchalant is making a comeback. My 12 yr old asked me if I knew of it. He thought it was a new slang word like rizz, it's used a lot by You tubers apparently.

grumpygrape · 16/01/2026 20:27

5128gap · 16/01/2026 19:36

Lapsus calami.

Is that anything like squid pro quo ?

FiatLuxAdAstra · 16/01/2026 20:27

I was laughing at the family motto in the Fakham Hall parody - Incestus ad infinitum

TheSmallAssassin · 16/01/2026 20:28

I think it's probably just confirmation bias, OP - now you think it's being used more, you're noticing it whenever anyone does.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 16/01/2026 20:29

NearCanongate · 16/01/2026 19:54

Yes it should have been oleum Caledoniae.

I always did mix those two up!

Edited

I think the root of butter is the Greek for cow cheese, which is boutyron, which became something like butyrum in Latin which became butter in English. The Spanish, French, Italian and German word for butter all have the same derivation.

Which is entirely useless information from a German O level lesson. Vorsprung durch Sprache 😂

TheBlueKoala · 16/01/2026 20:39

5128gap · 16/01/2026 19:36

Lapsus calami.

Nulla sollicitudina :)

Theyreeatingthedogs · 16/01/2026 20:41

I've had enough of this thread. Nunc est bibendum.

GallonHat · 16/01/2026 20:41

caesar adsum iam forte

TheBlueKoala · 16/01/2026 20:42

Grammarninja · 16/01/2026 20:14

Haven't noticed much Latin showing up but I do love 'heretofore' and 'anon'. Especially the former as it's economical.
'Literally' is my pet peeve because it's rarely anything akin to literal.

Anon as in anonymous or soon?