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Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 13/01/2026 17:45

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. For over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 22 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 22,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path:
Podcast series (7 episodes) from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026.
The Walkers: The real Salt Path | The Observer

After listening to some of The Walkers: The real Salt Path podcast episodes from The Observer today my thoughts are even more with the victims. I also believe that the publishers, agent and prizegivers must now act and be seen to act.

Please start each post with the podcast episode you are commenting on, for clarity and to help others avoid spoilers if they wish to do so. Many thanks.

As always, keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 09:36

I've just finished reading SA's 'Walking Away'. What struck me was SA could have been walking a different LDP to Raymoth such was the disparity in their observations about the path!

Apart from the sheer implausibility of Moth ever being mistaken for SA once, let alone on multiple occasions, I wondered whether SA's walk provided the inspiration for Raymoth's walk or the fictional account of several walks described in TSP.

In the episode at Grant's house, Grant jokingly asks whether Moth/SA will be giving a poetry reading at the Minack The only other place where I can find any reference to SA and the Minack is a piece that SA wrote for the Guardian on 29 March 2013 where he jocularly wonders if he might do a poetry reading at the Minack. Did Raymoth pick up on this?

Walking Away came out on 4 June 2015. Moth's visit to the neurologist happened a few weeks later and they set off on the SWCP again in July 2015. Did the publication of Walking Away provide inspiration for the walk or TSP?

How many of the mythic events in TSP did Moth actually create - his being mistaken for the soon to be crowned PL SA; the episode at Grant's; the impromptu reading of Beowulf in St Ives; the Herculean effort of running up the beach at Portheras Cove with the tent held aloft in his arms like a trophy?

Many people have remarked that Moth is charismatic, well read, and a great raconteur. In contrast Sal seems a bit of shrew. So could Moth have been the creative genius behind a lot of the content in TSP and Sal just his tame scriptwriter?

Simon Armitage: a poetic pilgrimage around Devon and Cornwall | Poetry | The Guardian

Simon Armitage: a poetic pilgrimage around Devon and Cornwall

He did it two years ago, walking the Pennine Way, but will the poet be as successful when he travels around the south-west of England this summer, with nothing but poetry for tender?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/29/simon-armitage-poetry-walk-cornwall

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 09:50

@ThompsonTwin Yes, we had thought that the timing of that Guardian article was perfect prompting for SalTim - coupled with the son on the right bit of the SWCP, hence the surfing in Newquay June 2013.

I still think, coupled with other influences, some of 500MW is just rephrased by her. We always talk about the Moth/SA running gag - there is the peeling nose recurring in a Raynor/Mark Wallington pairing gag, but not referenced. The recoiling of others from them is also just an echo of the reaction to Boogie - only in TSP they are given the role of the dog.

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 09:53

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 09:50

@ThompsonTwin Yes, we had thought that the timing of that Guardian article was perfect prompting for SalTim - coupled with the son on the right bit of the SWCP, hence the surfing in Newquay June 2013.

I still think, coupled with other influences, some of 500MW is just rephrased by her. We always talk about the Moth/SA running gag - there is the peeling nose recurring in a Raynor/Mark Wallington pairing gag, but not referenced. The recoiling of others from them is also just an echo of the reaction to Boogie - only in TSP they are given the role of the dog.

Yes you could be right. Moth as Boogie rather than SA. Now there's a thought!

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 10:15

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 09:53

Yes you could be right. Moth as Boogie rather than SA. Now there's a thought!

I have always felt that same dynamic at play. You get Sal copying this:

The children buried themselves in their mother's skirt....And then the whole family backed away and made an unsubtle detour round me. There was much whispering and I heard the word tramp mentioned once or twice. (500MW)

But, on the other hand, because of the appeal of Boogie a shop will be kept open later or someone will give them shelter.

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:23

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 10:15

I have always felt that same dynamic at play. You get Sal copying this:

The children buried themselves in their mother's skirt....And then the whole family backed away and made an unsubtle detour round me. There was much whispering and I heard the word tramp mentioned once or twice. (500MW)

But, on the other hand, because of the appeal of Boogie a shop will be kept open later or someone will give them shelter.

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'Tramp' is a rather odd expression. Do people use it on a regular basis? More to the point, why would anybody confuse Raymoth (who look like regular 50 something backpackers in all the photos on Sal's IG feed) as 'tramps'? I mean Moth is sartorially elegant with his bandanna and camo trousers even when out hiking!

PinkPanther57 · 16/01/2026 10:26

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:23

'Tramp' is a rather odd expression. Do people use it on a regular basis? More to the point, why would anybody confuse Raymoth (who look like regular 50 something backpackers in all the photos on Sal's IG feed) as 'tramps'? I mean Moth is sartorially elegant with his bandanna and camo trousers even when out hiking!

The tone & anecdote feels very borrowed to me. Sal has a habit of reading many out of print pre war books about related themes.

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:32

PinkPanther57 · 16/01/2026 10:26

The tone & anecdote feels very borrowed to me. Sal has a habit of reading many out of print pre war books about related themes.

although the term tramp (according to Google) is on thee rise!

Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
AgitatedGoose · 16/01/2026 10:35

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 07:55

Good morning? You are another one I was looking for. At the beginning of the last thread I made available a link to the story you shared about the NZ scammer who came to Wales. Many of us read it and saw the Sal parallels so thanks very much.

In a previous life I was a mental health nurse and would regularly come across people with conversion disorders. I believe these have now been named functional neurological symptom disorders. This is where psychological distress manifests itself in a physical condition - paralysis, tics, seizures, sensory disturbances. If Mothman had been female it's more likely this diagnosis would have been proposed. It certainly explains why he's survived for so long and why being out in nature and free from stress helps.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 10:39

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:23

'Tramp' is a rather odd expression. Do people use it on a regular basis? More to the point, why would anybody confuse Raymoth (who look like regular 50 something backpackers in all the photos on Sal's IG feed) as 'tramps'? I mean Moth is sartorially elegant with his bandanna and camo trousers even when out hiking!

It never rang true. Most people who are long distance walking don't exactly look put-together and sartorially elegant and are not an unknown sight on well known footpaths. The chances of Sal and Moth being singled out by being called tramps when amidst many many others who will all have looked the same, just seems ridiculous and naive.

AbovetheVaultedSky · 16/01/2026 10:42

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 09:36

I've just finished reading SA's 'Walking Away'. What struck me was SA could have been walking a different LDP to Raymoth such was the disparity in their observations about the path!

Apart from the sheer implausibility of Moth ever being mistaken for SA once, let alone on multiple occasions, I wondered whether SA's walk provided the inspiration for Raymoth's walk or the fictional account of several walks described in TSP.

In the episode at Grant's house, Grant jokingly asks whether Moth/SA will be giving a poetry reading at the Minack The only other place where I can find any reference to SA and the Minack is a piece that SA wrote for the Guardian on 29 March 2013 where he jocularly wonders if he might do a poetry reading at the Minack. Did Raymoth pick up on this?

Walking Away came out on 4 June 2015. Moth's visit to the neurologist happened a few weeks later and they set off on the SWCP again in July 2015. Did the publication of Walking Away provide inspiration for the walk or TSP?

How many of the mythic events in TSP did Moth actually create - his being mistaken for the soon to be crowned PL SA; the episode at Grant's; the impromptu reading of Beowulf in St Ives; the Herculean effort of running up the beach at Portheras Cove with the tent held aloft in his arms like a trophy?

Many people have remarked that Moth is charismatic, well read, and a great raconteur. In contrast Sal seems a bit of shrew. So could Moth have been the creative genius behind a lot of the content in TSP and Sal just his tame scriptwriter?

Simon Armitage: a poetic pilgrimage around Devon and Cornwall | Poetry | The Guardian

I don’t know. The detail uncovered by CH in her investigation, most recently shared in the podcasts, leaves TW’s exact role in much of it more shadowy, but makes it apparently clear that SW was the mover and shaker behind the various thefts, the one who went to London to borrow from ‘Cooper’ although he was TW’s relative and friend, the one arrested, the one who seems to have written the confessions, the one who fronted up all book publicity and maxed out other paying gigs like appearances, Gigspanner tours, Arvon teaching etc, handled the contact with Bill Cole, wrote the statements on her website after the Observer stories etc etc. Stylistically it seems clear TSP and its sequels were written by the same person who wrote HNTDDR, and there’s no evidence to suggest that was anyone other than SW.

However, while it’s clear why TW could not appear, hale and well, on chat show sofas, or indeed publicly appear much at all, CH’s investigation has given us so much more information about the actual SW (compulsive liar, thief, manipulator extraordinaire, yet also given to self-sabotage in getting too greedy (she might well have gone on stealing from Martin Hemings for years to come had she not stupidly stolen cash she was supposed to deposit and drawn his attention), shitting on her own doorstep in stealing from immediate family, and pissing benefactors like ‘Anne’ and Bill Cole off unnecessarily, lying unnecessarily, writing lengthy confessions etc etc), we only get tiny glimpses of TW.

‘Cecille’ says TW was distraught when SW skipped bail and went missing, fearing she’d hurt herself, and SW herself says in her confession that she only left him a note, and presents TW as implicitly ignorant of her thefts, and as someone fragile and beloved who needs to be kept out of the mess and worry of debt etc. And neither family, on discovering the thefts, seems to have thought he might be responsible, even though the money stolen from his parents went into his account, according to SW’s confession.

On the other hand, he seems to have spent much of his adult life either in low paid jobs or unemployed, and can’t possibly have believed they could buy Land Rovers or French properties on SW’s earnings as a PT bookkeeper.

And, obviously, the illness scam requires his active collusion, lying, pretence of symptoms etc, and it’s clear that TSP would have been just another walking book without the emotional appeal of TW as charismatic, dying saint and raconteur, stumbling, one leg dragging, along the SWCP to redemption. The three-book deal signed with PRH after TSP was based in large part on the public appetite to know what became of lovable, dying Moth, poster boy for a horrible illness.

But it’s hard to know to this day exactly what his role in all this is. Is he the mastermind, with an adoring SW as front and patsy? Or is he a rather passive, workshy individual, good at spending, bad at earning, who just sat back and accepted that money had always arrived via his wife, often mysteriously, and never asked questions, just spent it? Was he always a hypochondriac or just feigning illness in earlier years? Did he know his wife was stealing from his parents? What did he say when they confronted him with the theft while SW was gibbering, pretending insanity and hiding in cupboards, like a cut-price Hamlet?

Has he had an active input into how his ‘illness’ has ‘progressed’, or how to present it publicly?

Why did he drop his mask when BC brought the young cider makers to Haye, when surely going on Rick Stein and pretending to make cider and be dying, and getting unnecessarily involved in the film to the point where Jason Isaacs was weeping about his adorableness on all possible occasions, was far riskier in terms of scrutiny?

Are he and SW mutually-devoted, or are they simply in far too deep in the scams to disengage? What has he been doing all the time, while SW wrote, did events, did media, did gigs etc? Is he resentful that his role as the dying husband means that he can’t charm chat show sofas and book festivals, or gad about in fast cars and yachts?

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 10:45

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:23

'Tramp' is a rather odd expression. Do people use it on a regular basis? More to the point, why would anybody confuse Raymoth (who look like regular 50 something backpackers in all the photos on Sal's IG feed) as 'tramps'? I mean Moth is sartorially elegant with his bandanna and camo trousers even when out hiking!

I just saw it as copied from an earlier book. Likewise this:

"they were being shunned by many people" Jason Isaacs, at TSP film premiere

It is not the actor's fault but this is Jason playing Moth playing Boogie.

The London literati and luvvies jumped on a silly bandwagon and didn't do the appropriate homework.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 10:48

@AbovetheVaultedSky I think perhaps they just aren't very bright? I know they present a good face to the public, but some of the things they do - SW not banking the money, TW being photographed planking when he's supposed to be terminally ill - screams that they just don't think anything through. Like never really working but showing up in an new Landrover, buying a place in France (the 'chateau') with no visible means of support other than low paid jobs.

Did they not ever think that people were going to suspect?

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:52

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 10:48

@AbovetheVaultedSky I think perhaps they just aren't very bright? I know they present a good face to the public, but some of the things they do - SW not banking the money, TW being photographed planking when he's supposed to be terminally ill - screams that they just don't think anything through. Like never really working but showing up in an new Landrover, buying a place in France (the 'chateau') with no visible means of support other than low paid jobs.

Did they not ever think that people were going to suspect?

This is the eternal conundrum - are they Machiavellian schemers (rejigging the narrative in TSP,forging bank statements etc etc) or hapless individuals (the Gangani fiasco/forgetting to pack the Pregabalin+ sunhat) who just got incredibly lucky with the help of some astute sales and marketing by their agent and publisher?

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 10:53

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 10:48

@AbovetheVaultedSky I think perhaps they just aren't very bright? I know they present a good face to the public, but some of the things they do - SW not banking the money, TW being photographed planking when he's supposed to be terminally ill - screams that they just don't think anything through. Like never really working but showing up in an new Landrover, buying a place in France (the 'chateau') with no visible means of support other than low paid jobs.

Did they not ever think that people were going to suspect?

So you're saying: he's a plank?

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:56

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 10:53

So you're saying: he's a plank?

A planker, a plonker and a bit of a plankster!

PinkPanther57 · 16/01/2026 10:56

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:52

This is the eternal conundrum - are they Machiavellian schemers (rejigging the narrative in TSP,forging bank statements etc etc) or hapless individuals (the Gangani fiasco/forgetting to pack the Pregabalin+ sunhat) who just got incredibly lucky with the help of some astute sales and marketing by their agent and publisher?

I think the evidence points rather to the latter.

They’re no ‘Canoe Two’ but I find myself making comparisons…

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 16/01/2026 10:58

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:23

'Tramp' is a rather odd expression. Do people use it on a regular basis? More to the point, why would anybody confuse Raymoth (who look like regular 50 something backpackers in all the photos on Sal's IG feed) as 'tramps'? I mean Moth is sartorially elegant with his bandanna and camo trousers even when out hiking!

I think you are right. In 1986 when 500MW was published, "tramp" was likely used quite commonly. But in 2013 when RW claims it was uttered at her, very unlikely.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/01/2026 10:59

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 10:53

So you're saying: he's a plank?

I think they're a pair of planks.

I'm not buying into the narrative of them being so narcissistic that they really never thought their bluff would be called. In fact, the longer this all goes on, with revelations about Sal being caught out by not banking money that her boss had given her directly and which was absolutely essential to pay the wages that week - I mean, surely that's not a superiority complex, that's just sheer bloody stupidity!

It must have been evident to her that the money would be missed immediately and she didn't even have a sensible argument - I mean even the 'oh, whoops, sorry, there was a family emergency and I had to dash home and I completely forgot the bank and then it was closed when I remembered but I put the money down somewhere in the house and couldn't find it and I would have banked it straight away when it turned up'? Not even a cover story like that? Just sobbing to Ros and giving her some stupid story about having to sell her mother's things? When she could have just - oh, I dunno, sold her mother's things in the first place and tried NOT stealing?

It's all so threadbare and pitifully stupid.

(And I now realise by coming up with cover stories for Sal, that I sound like some kind of arch villain who is swindling people right and left. I'm not, I promise. Although I did take the last bit of fudge... sorry).

Freshsocks · 16/01/2026 11:06

Laska2Meryls · 16/01/2026 08:20

Absolute shocking comments in the podcasts from members of Sal and Tim's family who in many ways seem remarkably forgiving. One can only wonder how S&Ts own grown up children have taken the revelations of how their parents have acted. I do feel sorry for them .

It must be awful for their children @Laska2Meryls, they must have known the books were full of lies, all the articles and interviews. Salray credits the daughter with encouraging her to get published (the birthday MS) they must have worried that their parents would get rumbled and when, they shouldn't have had to deal with that.

The family have been incredibly forgiving, I'm not sure about the narrative that this is a story of love between Sal and Tim, co dependency yes. The real love story is that of a family who forgave and helped, despite all that went on. There seems a danger with perpetuating a perception that the books were a gift of love for Moth, like love letters. Will it give them a Bonny and Clyde appeal?

PinkPanther57 · 16/01/2026 11:09

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 16/01/2026 10:58

I think you are right. In 1986 when 500MW was published, "tramp" was likely used quite commonly. But in 2013 when RW claims it was uttered at her, very unlikely.

Edited

Funny that…You’re spot on. There are lots of similar borrowings…

Peladon · 16/01/2026 11:17

ThompsonTwin · 16/01/2026 10:23

'Tramp' is a rather odd expression. Do people use it on a regular basis? More to the point, why would anybody confuse Raymoth (who look like regular 50 something backpackers in all the photos on Sal's IG feed) as 'tramps'? I mean Moth is sartorially elegant with his bandanna and camo trousers even when out hiking!

So people thiugh that they were tramps and also a famous poet?

Freshsocks · 16/01/2026 11:27

Surely moth would have been a gentleman of the road.

BewilderingBrandy · 16/01/2026 11:27

Peladon · 16/01/2026 11:17

So people thiugh that they were tramps and also a famous poet?

Down and Out in Pendennis and Lanson (Launceston)?

PinkPanther57 · 16/01/2026 11:29

Peladon · 16/01/2026 11:17

So people thiugh that they were tramps and also a famous poet?

How many average hikers could single out poets & know who SA was? I had little idea & am a big reader.

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