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Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 13/01/2026 17:45

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. For over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 22 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 22,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path:
Podcast series (7 episodes) from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026.
The Walkers: The real Salt Path | The Observer

After listening to some of The Walkers: The real Salt Path podcast episodes from The Observer today my thoughts are even more with the victims. I also believe that the publishers, agent and prizegivers must now act and be seen to act.

Please start each post with the podcast episode you are commenting on, for clarity and to help others avoid spoilers if they wish to do so. Many thanks.

As always, keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 18:54

Peladon · 18/01/2026 18:51

If it turns out that TSP was ineligible, it would be the decent thing to name one of the other books from that year as the corrected winner (and to reclaim and re-award the proze money).

That is what I've been saying all through the threads. But I don't know how they could go about getting the money back off Sal, who doesn't even want to pay for things she's actually bought, let alone giving back money she'd been awarded. And I don't see the CB committee being able to afford to bring a court case in order to get it back, sadly. One would hope that Sal would pay it back out of her millions.... sorry, I can't even write that with a straight face.

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 18:55

RockyPath · 18/01/2026 18:38

Um, am I the only one who doesn't really want to think about the Mars Bar dipping thing? I'm of the vintage, as is SW, that grew up with stories, maybe apocryphal, of what some rock stars got up to in the bedroom with branded confectionery.

Although tbh, I doubt it really happened with Raymoth, more likely she added it in as saucy detail.

I think the late, great Marianne Faithfull said that tale was nonsense, but Jagger did one of the few chivalrous acts of his life by taking responsibilty for the drugs.

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 18:59

In my understanding in HNTDDD Elias is Sally. Baxter is Tim.

The nonsensical pretentiousness of both monikers is of course entirely predictable.

Peladon · 18/01/2026 19:02

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 18/01/2026 18:43

Baxter and Elias are the characters from HNTDDD, Moth and Raynor are the characters from TSP or TWS. Both couples meet when the female character spots the male character dipping his mars bar in tea across a crowded cafe/ college cafeteria.

And one of our ace sleuths pointed out that "Elias" (the name of the female character who sees the male character doing the dip, just as Our Sal endlessly says she did with TW) is an anagram of "Salie" (Sally?).

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 18/01/2026 19:03

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 18:22

Yes I saw that and other comments elsewhere. There was a more specific remark from memory, now deleted. Why would this book, pre scandal, be collectable?

To me it reads like the forum users are responding to the enquiry by saying they don't generally sell books on the forum. Which is why other places are recommended. I hardly think the library thing was sitting on multiple copies of HNTDDD. And i don't see the post where CH wrote "it's understandable".

Not meaning to glumwash but I think we could do with making sure what we post is clear where the info comes from so as to not muddy the water and causing debate/uncertainty of lesser matters. [ETA...not pointing fingers, just trying to steady the ship a little...hopefully not stepping on toes!]

DoubtfulCat · 18/01/2026 19:05

Peladon · 18/01/2026 19:02

And one of our ace sleuths pointed out that "Elias" (the name of the female character who sees the male character doing the dip, just as Our Sal endlessly says she did with TW) is an anagram of "Salie" (Sally?).

Also both names are connected with a branch of Welsh chapels, and Elias is apparently a fairly common surname in the Pwllheli area. Sally does like to use a surname as a given name, it’s only a miracle their kids aren’t named with surnames. Forgive me for not crediting the pp who pointed this out, I forget who it was.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 19:07

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 18:50

One of my books had a character with a unisex name and my editor made me change it. She said it's a bad move to make the reader have to guess at the sex of your character. Maybe Elias and Baxter are a gay male couple?

I’d guess at that not obvs female name in that. Bit like Raynor & Moth ‘that’ll never sell - no one will go for it!’ Chuckle…

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 19:08

Peladon · 18/01/2026 19:02

And one of our ace sleuths pointed out that "Elias" (the name of the female character who sees the male character doing the dip, just as Our Sal endlessly says she did with TW) is an anagram of "Salie" (Sally?).

I mean, how many authors intimately connected with the same smallish Welsh region are likely to write 2 separate books, years apart, where a main character, love interest of the 'heroine' dips a Mars bar in a cup of tea? This is before we get to the other stuff, like embezzlement from an employer and the fact Gangani Publishing was them.

She wrote HNTDDD. We've always known that she did.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 19:11

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 18/01/2026 19:03

To me it reads like the forum users are responding to the enquiry by saying they don't generally sell books on the forum. Which is why other places are recommended. I hardly think the library thing was sitting on multiple copies of HNTDDD. And i don't see the post where CH wrote "it's understandable".

Not meaning to glumwash but I think we could do with making sure what we post is clear where the info comes from so as to not muddy the water and causing debate/uncertainty of lesser matters. [ETA...not pointing fingers, just trying to steady the ship a little...hopefully not stepping on toes!]

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No I agree, I do believe I saw somewhere re: more specific context & there may have been something that added to ‘this’ in now deleted comment, but you’re right re: sticking to known facts - v important.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 19:13

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 19:08

I mean, how many authors intimately connected with the same smallish Welsh region are likely to write 2 separate books, years apart, where a main character, love interest of the 'heroine' dips a Mars bar in a cup of tea? This is before we get to the other stuff, like embezzlement from an employer and the fact Gangani Publishing was them.

She wrote HNTDDD. We've always known that she did.

& @Peladon so what does Baxter do in HNTDDD? Is it he who embezzles not her?

Peladon · 18/01/2026 19:14

@Freshsocks :"We really need to get hold of a copy of this book, perhaps we're going to have to go and borrow (steal) Chloe's copy :)"

This reminded me of that story a few years ago where (IIRC) a journalist's flat was broken into and the only thing taken were documents relating to "mock up" bank statements somehow connected with an interview with Princess Diana. I don't think that that the break-in was ever explained definitively. But maybe MN figured it out.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 19:16

Peladon · 18/01/2026 19:14

@Freshsocks :"We really need to get hold of a copy of this book, perhaps we're going to have to go and borrow (steal) Chloe's copy :)"

This reminded me of that story a few years ago where (IIRC) a journalist's flat was broken into and the only thing taken were documents relating to "mock up" bank statements somehow connected with an interview with Princess Diana. I don't think that that the break-in was ever explained definitively. But maybe MN figured it out.

She needs to do a podcast on it IMO :). The sleuths here so fab they’d spot significant overlooked details if they exist. That’s fascinating on L Di.

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 19:18

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 19:13

& @Peladon so what does Baxter do in HNTDDD? Is it he who embezzles not her?

No, it was her.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 19:20

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 19:18

No, it was her.

Ahh & he had the drug habit? What happened next?

Peladon · 18/01/2026 19:29

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 18:54

That is what I've been saying all through the threads. But I don't know how they could go about getting the money back off Sal, who doesn't even want to pay for things she's actually bought, let alone giving back money she'd been awarded. And I don't see the CB committee being able to afford to bring a court case in order to get it back, sadly. One would hope that Sal would pay it back out of her millions.... sorry, I can't even write that with a straight face.

Not sure about the legalities, but I suspect that if the committee awarded the money on the basis of mis-statements then the committee could have a good argument that it's entitled to return of the money.

In such a situation, would a wrongdoer want to have the relevant facts aired in public, esp if the person has the ability to pay and can't easily disappear?

If CH's info is right, the debt owed to the successors of "Cooper" has been quietly settled without further court proceedings.

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 19:57

I still don't understand, how it can be proved legally that Salray is the author? If she retains her pseudonymity, the CB prize people still can't, ask for the money back, or take the prize away.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 20:02

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 19:57

I still don't understand, how it can be proved legally that Salray is the author? If she retains her pseudonymity, the CB prize people still can't, ask for the money back, or take the prize away.

I think any investigation putting heat on them might unearth it. Gangani linked to ‘them’ & if asked would Sal deny? So legally poss not on surface of it but if a dogged investigation?

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 20:07

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 19:57

I still don't understand, how it can be proved legally that Salray is the author? If she retains her pseudonymity, the CB prize people still can't, ask for the money back, or take the prize away.

The most we have from her is the July statement - but with the parallels the description of the whitewashed farmhouse, property surveyor job, stealing tens of thousands, arrested, flees to London, borrows money to pay back employer, but ends up having to lose the family home in Wales.

In desperation, we briefly tried running a book-based house raffle like others had done, but quickly realised it was a mistake as it clearly wasn’t going to work. We cancelled it and refunded the few participants.

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 20:29

She doesn't have to ever acknowledge that she is the author, even if everyone believes she is, as do I. The plot might be a giveaway for us, but It still can't be proven legally that Salray is the author, she has her pseudonymity to protect her, she would still have to admit to being the author.

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 20:36

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 20:29

She doesn't have to ever acknowledge that she is the author, even if everyone believes she is, as do I. The plot might be a giveaway for us, but It still can't be proven legally that Salray is the author, she has her pseudonymity to protect her, she would still have to admit to being the author.

I thought it relevant what one of our posters wrote about this several months ago:

is it then the case that we can all set up as publishers, write a book under a false name and nobody can ever find out who we are, allowing us to claim we have never been published for the purpose of collecting thousands of pounds falsely, writing whatever falsehoods we like, with no worries of any come back.

Thank you @Freshsocks

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 20:48

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 20:29

She doesn't have to ever acknowledge that she is the author, even if everyone believes she is, as do I. The plot might be a giveaway for us, but It still can't be proven legally that Salray is the author, she has her pseudonymity to protect her, she would still have to admit to being the author.

I am sure you’re right but is there enough ‘smoking gun’ for a clever lawyer to find an angle? If so inclined. Perhaps..

I’d like to see a podcast/article on just HNTDDD as most unaware of it & all it implies.

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 20:49

Freshsocks · 18/01/2026 20:29

She doesn't have to ever acknowledge that she is the author, even if everyone believes she is, as do I. The plot might be a giveaway for us, but It still can't be proven legally that Salray is the author, she has her pseudonymity to protect her, she would still have to admit to being the author.

It’s a starting point she’s not denied?

PinkPanther57 · 18/01/2026 21:01

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 18:59

In my understanding in HNTDDD Elias is Sally. Baxter is Tim.

The nonsensical pretentiousness of both monikers is of course entirely predictable.

Sorry to be a pain but what unfolds, now we have a bit more detail, in this tale? Setting?

LetsBeSensible · 18/01/2026 21:06

AbovetheVaultedSky · 18/01/2026 13:16

Just reading your post, @ThompsonTwin, having listened to the podcast over the last few days, makes me realise a very basic truth.

That the single most important fact that binds together everything that’s been discovered about the Walkers, and (reading between the lines) is everywhere in SW’s three books, is not them being mystically attuned to the natural world and its rhythms from their earliest youth, but, fundamentally

(1) a disinclination to work at jobs like other people

and

(2) a desire for lots of money to buy expensive stuff and support a life of leisure and (1).

Think about it. SW and TW are continually skipping college and then work to be together when they first met. You might just put that down to immaturity. But then SW seems to have left her first job in mysterious circumstances, and TW ditto his life as a master plasterer, before they both quit whatever they were doing to move to Wales after a get rich quick scheme goes wrong.

They both seem to have been unemployed for long stretches of time in Wales, as SW mentions as notable in her ‘confession letter’ that she got a job at the Hemmingses and TW got a gardening job that ‘paid less than the dole’. Sure, they were renovating their house and raising kids, but that’s usually something people do as well as have jobs. The beginning of TSP makes it clear ‘Moth’ hasn’t worked in years, supposedly because of his health, and depicts SW as not working because she’s focused on the court case.

Every time the prospect of work comes up in TSP and TWS, SW bats it away with excuses. Either she’s too busy with the court case, or she doesn’t want to be away from Moth in the little time he has left, or she has no qualifications, or she has no CV because all her work, as builder, electrician, accountant etc etc has been on their ‘farm’, or she applies for jobs but no one will hire her because of her age.

SW claims that no work was available during the time at Polly’s, apart from the fleecewrapping job, which she sticks at, despite its brutal physical demands and poor pay.

‘Anne’ in the podcast says the plan was that they would stay with her, declare bankruptcy, get jobs and restart their lives. Yet after eighteen months, SW hasn’t applied for bankruptcy, neither of them have got jobs, neither of them is helping out around the farm while Anne’s husband recovers from a brain injury, SW quit the fleecewrapping job Anne got her after a few days to go on holiday, TW is claiming PIP, and they seem likely to stay on Anne’s farm in perpetuity, not working, not seeking work, and happy to be her responsibility.

TW then studies after they’re thrown out, presumably as a way of accessing student finance and accommodation and continuing not to work, and SW apparently continues not to work at all.

And then the miracle happens.

SW writes a substantially untrue ‘memoir’ recasting a pair of workshy scam artists as blamelessly unlucky, lovable types, too mutually devoted and free-spirited to move into emergency accommodation and get jobs after the double whammy of a death sentence and sudden homelessness, and it sells.

The reading public laps it up. Money rolls in. A fan offers them a gorgeous farm with light, amenable duties. But they don’t even perform those. TW erupts into fury when kindly Bill Cole tries to get temporary workers to do them. Anytime any questions are asked about their work shyness, TW pretends to be facing imminent death. They are now rich and could now repay with interest the money they stole from SW’s mother and TW’s parents, and which SW claimed to be desperate to repay, but hey, they’re dead, so why bother? Not performing their cider farm duties is too onerous, and is proving difficult to reconcile with taking four-month holidays and with the ‘yay, miracle cure’ narrative of the books, so they leave abruptly, leaving a mess of unpaid utilities, and rent somewhere with no requirement to work.

Unfortunately, Tim pretending to be dying and attention from a pesky reporter means that now everything’s perfect and they never have to work again, they’re saddled with an inability to publicly enjoy fast cars, luxury clothes and long holidays.

Still, they have what they’ve always wanted. Not having pesky jobs.

Oh, but you are wrong! SalRay is a child of nature, she needs the wild earth and the birds flying both for winter! TimMoth is only kept alive by the garden, the walking and the greenery!
How could you accuse these eco-rewilding, smallholding farmers of - gasp!- materialism?

LetsBeSensible · 18/01/2026 21:08

Why is Sally always taking on male first names?
Elias is a boys name, Raynor is more seemingly a male name than female. And TimMoth is sometimes Ray. Interesting.

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