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Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 13/01/2026 17:45

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. For over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 22 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 22,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path:
Podcast series (7 episodes) from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026.
The Walkers: The real Salt Path | The Observer

After listening to some of The Walkers: The real Salt Path podcast episodes from The Observer today my thoughts are even more with the victims. I also believe that the publishers, agent and prizegivers must now act and be seen to act.

Please start each post with the podcast episode you are commenting on, for clarity and to help others avoid spoilers if they wish to do so. Many thanks.

As always, keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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DoubtfulCat · 18/01/2026 09:21

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 08:57

Is this because you signed up for the Apple 3 day trial and not the £1 Observer subscription. I went in to all of this when the podcasts were released - it was confusing. Can you access the articles by clicking on the links provided by @ThompsonTwin above?

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Maybe, but it has taken money from me! Is that just for the podcasts?

@DisappointedReader I will sit with you in the glum shed. Have we got any cider left to drown our sorrows?

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 09:29

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 08:24

Good to see the criticism kept up but still we see this repeated “Clearly, the bad publicity will have helped,” regarding the sales of the books.

At the end of the last thread a few of us were going in to this in more detail with the stats. Our conclusion: after Chloe's story broke the sales dropped, and dropped and plummeted. This was also said by Amelia Fairney, previously, and then picked up several times by Chloe - that she sent the book back up the charts - we don't think so!

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Also:

Amelia Fairney is head of strategy and communications at Shout Out UK, an organisation that promotes political and media literacy and works to combat misinformation. Previously, she was the Communications Director of Penguin General Books.

DisappointedReader · 18/01/2026 09:33

Mistakes were made. Shed of doubt.

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OneThousandThreads · 18/01/2026 09:36

Nielsen Bookscan seems to be a paid for service where you can access book sales data - is it possible someone at the Observer paid for this and has actual data on all 3 books? I'm not sure if it gives weekly/tracking over time figures and it's properly pricey so beyond a pass-the-bag-around-the-charabanc-collection amount

DisappointedReader · 18/01/2026 09:58

Where did you sign up @DoubtfulCat - on the Observer website, with Apple or somewhere else - and what did you sign up for, 3 days or a month? I signed up on the Observer website and was charged £1 for a month's trial subscription. If I cancel in February before my month is up then I shouldn't be charged again.

Try emailing the team here: [email protected]

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Peladon · 18/01/2026 10:07

Just bought The Observer. As far as I can see it doesn't have the article about Mumsnet, or the article that was linked to above (which I couldn't access) talking about comments from publishers.

Hey ho. But i learned that Chloe came across the "Sal + Tim" in the wall when she stayed at the "farmhouse" through AirBnB.

LibertyLily · 18/01/2026 10:07

ThompsonTwin · 18/01/2026 08:26

Anybody got a hard copy of today's Observer?

I've just picked up mine (or rather, Mr LL has 😉) Only skimmed it so far, but nothing that's obviously from Phoebe....

Meanwhile, whilst I can't work out how to link to YouTube, my contribution to the appropriate musical suggestions (with a touch of artistic licence!) is -
Stevie Wonder's 'Master Plaster(er) (Cream and Jammin' my Scone)' 😂🤣😂

Oh and belated Happy Birthday to @Freshsocks and hope you feel better soon 💐

DisappointedReader · 18/01/2026 10:12

Publishers agree The Salt Path crossed a line
Like others I had my hopes raised by this misleading headline, thinking that Penguin had finally fallen on their sword or at least pricked a finger on it. A bit of a shame that it's some publishers in general rather than Raynor Winn's publishers.

I also agree that I would like to see the evidence for figures for sales 'rocketing', especially as the claim has now been repeated.

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 10:15

I wonder if the 'sales are rocketing' is a case of 'talk up the books' syndrome? It seems to be a 'thing' in publishing that you only ever talk about increases in sales and it then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Just look at all the authors who are featured absolutely anywhere, smiling faces and 'I can't believe my book just passed the 100k/250k mark!' And all authors talking about how fulfilling it is, how great their publishers are, how readers are loving their work.

Because pages of authors stumbling home from the day job to scribble an exhausted chapter that they then delete, talking about sales falling miserably and royalty payments that are in the pence is not what people want to hear. So it's fake the success, because every word you say is publicity, every single time a book is mentioned it has a positive effect on sales.

So 'rocketing' might just be a bit of false advertising and might just mean that one book in the series went up a few places on Amazon last week (although books can go up in the Amazon charts without selling a single copy - it depends on the movement of all the OTHER books in a chart with you).

PrettyDamnCosmic · 18/01/2026 10:18

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 14:41

He probably got the job on the strength of his handmade gardening smock @YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree. Salray glumwashing again about wages :)

Cannabis would explain the datscan results @AbovetheVaultedSky, a scan like Moths could be seen in someone who habitually uses cannabis. It would also explain the reversal in the scan, if he had stopped consuming. Not that we know what Moths further scans looked like, we only have Salray's word. It doesn't explain the eyes. I would be interested if anyone knows anything about ADHD in adult men, does Moth seems like he could have ADHD?

Do you have a reference for the evidence of cannabis affecting DAT scans?

This systematic review of drugs interacting with DAT scans doesn't even mention cannabis.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10199883/

GE who make DAT scanners don't mention cannabis interfering with test results.

www.gehealthcare.co.uk/-/jssmedia/cd096feaddfb4faaab840810c1487828.pdf

A systematic review of the potential effects of medications and drugs of abuse on dopamine transporter imaging using [123I]I-FP-CIT SPECT in routine practice - PMC

In routine practice, dopamine transporter (DAT) imaging is frequently used as a diagnostic tool to support the diagnosis of Parkinson’s disease or dementia with Lewy bodies. In 2008, we published a review on which medications and drugs of abuse may ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10199883/

DisappointedReader · 18/01/2026 10:21

Hi all - information received from Phoebe:

Apologies I should have sent a message last night as I left the newsroom. The piece is, as I understand, due to go online tomorrow but sadly a decision was made to bump it from the paper. Unfortunately this is sometimes just the way it goes with print space, especially after Trump’s tariff announcement late yesterday took up unexpected space.

I will make sure to send a link as soon as it goes online and very much appreciate it’s a disappointment when things don’t go in the paper.

All best,
Phoebe

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Peladon · 18/01/2026 10:28

It was nice to learn (from the podcast) that TW's stylish gardening clothes were not the result of splurging on designer apparel, but were made by hand by SW, who must have been a talented designer and seamstress.

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 10:36

Bumped for Trump! Oh that has made me laugh!

Peladon · 18/01/2026 10:40

PS: IIRC, TW had his yellow wedding suit made by a local tailor in Skye, rather than asking SW to do it. Thoughtful of him.

ThisQuirkyRaven · 18/01/2026 10:49

@PrettyDamnCosmicthere doesn't appear to be evidence that cannabis bonds to dopamine transporters so is unlikely to affect a datscan.

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 11:00

I wonder which channel this is coming out on:

11 April
Winn’s literary agent, Jen Christie, says the couple won’t be available for interview as they are working on a TV documentary about the science behind Moth’s recovery.

Peladon · 18/01/2026 11:02

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 11:00

I wonder which channel this is coming out on:

11 April
Winn’s literary agent, Jen Christie, says the couple won’t be available for interview as they are working on a TV documentary about the science behind Moth’s recovery.

The Sci Fi channel.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 18/01/2026 11:04

ThisQuirkyRaven · 18/01/2026 10:49

@PrettyDamnCosmicthere doesn't appear to be evidence that cannabis bonds to dopamine transporters so is unlikely to affect a datscan.

there doesn't appear to be evidence that cannabis bonds to dopamine transporters so is unlikely to affect a datscan.

I know. That is why I asked for evidence to support a claim that it does.

AbovetheVaultedSky · 18/01/2026 11:06

Peladon · 18/01/2026 10:28

It was nice to learn (from the podcast) that TW's stylish gardening clothes were not the result of splurging on designer apparel, but were made by hand by SW, who must have been a talented designer and seamstress.

Embezzler by day, seamstress by night!

Though maybe TW was covering up the fact that his work apparel was suspiciously expensive, while his wages were low, by claiming that SW made his smart gardening smocks at home?

Before blowing his cover by driving to work in a new Land Rover.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 11:15

BewilderingBrandy · 18/01/2026 11:00

I wonder which channel this is coming out on:

11 April
Winn’s literary agent, Jen Christie, says the couple won’t be available for interview as they are working on a TV documentary about the science behind Moth’s recovery.

Yes, because making a documentary is a 24/7 activity which requires you to never leave home or make or received telephone/Zoom calls...

AbovetheVaultedSky · 18/01/2026 11:42

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 11:15

Yes, because making a documentary is a 24/7 activity which requires you to never leave home or make or received telephone/Zoom calls...

I assume the implication is more ‘Moth and Raynor aren’t going to be sharing the precious IP of their miraculous recovery documentary with pesky journalists, especially ones with a track record of hard investigative reporting on big political stories, not ones writing a puff piece by someone from the culture supplement.’

I mean, if Jen Christie, or indeed the Walkers, looked up who CH was and what her usual brand of journalism was, that must have been a clue to what was going to follow, surely?

I know today’s timeline suggests that CH’s first request for an interview in March 2025 was neutral, saying only that she wanted to to write a piece that focused on Moth’s health and apparent recovery, and that it was only in late June that she said she wanted a meeting to discuss ‘troubling evidence that cast doubt on TSP’ (none agreed) and, slightly later again, emailed a list of the allegations the Observer was planning to publish, not just to ‘Raynor Winn’, but to her agent, publisher and the film production company.

I still assume the documentary was imaginary, or, if there was going to be one, that it certainly wouldn’t have focused in any evidentiary way on TW’s miracle recovery. How could it? No CBD specialist could have gone on camera to assess medical evidence.

I assume that if there was ever a documentary in the works, it would have been carefully-curated, soft-focus and essentially advertising the ‘brand’. Even then, would it have been a good idea? It would have been natural for a documentary maker to suggest going back to Wales to film, to suggest asking permission to film at Pen y Maes, or on the steps of the courthouse etc, and wanting to talk to family and friends, the Walkers’ children, Dave and Julie etc. Too risky, surely?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 11:45

AbovetheVaultedSky · 18/01/2026 11:42

I assume the implication is more ‘Moth and Raynor aren’t going to be sharing the precious IP of their miraculous recovery documentary with pesky journalists, especially ones with a track record of hard investigative reporting on big political stories, not ones writing a puff piece by someone from the culture supplement.’

I mean, if Jen Christie, or indeed the Walkers, looked up who CH was and what her usual brand of journalism was, that must have been a clue to what was going to follow, surely?

I know today’s timeline suggests that CH’s first request for an interview in March 2025 was neutral, saying only that she wanted to to write a piece that focused on Moth’s health and apparent recovery, and that it was only in late June that she said she wanted a meeting to discuss ‘troubling evidence that cast doubt on TSP’ (none agreed) and, slightly later again, emailed a list of the allegations the Observer was planning to publish, not just to ‘Raynor Winn’, but to her agent, publisher and the film production company.

I still assume the documentary was imaginary, or, if there was going to be one, that it certainly wouldn’t have focused in any evidentiary way on TW’s miracle recovery. How could it? No CBD specialist could have gone on camera to assess medical evidence.

I assume that if there was ever a documentary in the works, it would have been carefully-curated, soft-focus and essentially advertising the ‘brand’. Even then, would it have been a good idea? It would have been natural for a documentary maker to suggest going back to Wales to film, to suggest asking permission to film at Pen y Maes, or on the steps of the courthouse etc, and wanting to talk to family and friends, the Walkers’ children, Dave and Julie etc. Too risky, surely?

I just assumed that there was no such documentary and everyone concerned knew that this was just an excuse, but it's one that is so easy to get around that it's almost laughable. It's like me saying 'I can't come to your party tomorrow because I'm just about to have a bath.'

Which made me wonder why the agent didn't come up with something a bit more plausible - perhaps even she had run out of excuses for the Gruesome Twosome?

AbovetheVaultedSky · 18/01/2026 12:00

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/01/2026 11:45

I just assumed that there was no such documentary and everyone concerned knew that this was just an excuse, but it's one that is so easy to get around that it's almost laughable. It's like me saying 'I can't come to your party tomorrow because I'm just about to have a bath.'

Which made me wonder why the agent didn't come up with something a bit more plausible - perhaps even she had run out of excuses for the Gruesome Twosome?

I doubt she’d had to refuse many press requests before, though. SW was all over the media, and seems to have accepted virtually everything from interviews to book festival appearances to teaching gigs to requests to write things for newspapers etc. If anything, it must have felt unusual to her agent to be refusing an interview request. I do wonder if she and/or SW looked CH up.

It just occurred to me, listening to the bit of the podcast that played clips of SW refusing to disclose TW’s real name, how easily you get away with that kind of thing in a ‘nice’ book festival interview, where the audience just wants feelgood time with the nice lady who wrote that lovely book. SW jokily says no, she’s not going to say what Moth’s real name is, and when it becomes clear she means it, the interviewers all back off, and go back to comfortable territory that SW is happy to talk about, in her well-rehearsed script.

Because that’s what the audience is there for. They’re fans. They don’t want to see the nice lady interrogated or made uncomfortable. And generally, the interviewers know that this is their job here — they’re not Paxo asking Michael Howard the same question ten times.

Uricon2 · 18/01/2026 12:00

If there was ever a documentary about the Miracle Recovery in the offing and I don't think for one second there was, I would bet that it would be to puff up the 'wellness business'.

Can anyone imagine a neurologist nuking their career by going on camera to support Salray's daft ideas about ultra restricted diets and forest emissions and all the other nonsense curing a terrible, incurable condition?

It's been said many times but if the doctors really did think something remarkable might have happened in Timoth's case, they'd be beating down his door to conduct proper research and the Desperate Duo would be able to evidence this. Reality? The usual tumbleweed.

ThompsonTwin · 18/01/2026 12:08

We can argue the toss about whether CH's Observer expose boosted sales of TSP or not, but what is pretty clear after the last 7 months of intrepid sleuthing here on MN and elsewhere, is that TSP is basically, to coin a sordid colloquialism, a load of old cobblers bookended between a couple of hard(ish facts) which constitute the beginning and end of the book.

June 2013 - the Walkers did indeed get evicted from Pen y maes. However, they were given ample time to make arrangements to store their belongings, didn't lose their property through an unwise investment with a family friend and didn't leave their house at 9am with the bailiffs banging on the door. There is no evidence that the Walkers visited the Walton centre in Liverpool in the week leading up to their eviction from Pen y maes and thus no evidence to suggest that they embarked on their walk burdened with the terrible diagnosis that TW had a terminal illness (CBD) with no treatment and no cure, that perhaps left him with only months to live.

July 2013 - they may have visited an esoteric angel experience in Glastonbury but according to the proprietor, Diana Foss, there was no sign of Moth experiencing any physical ailments and the deleted FB (July 23) comments from the son Tristran, suggests that Raymoth spent at least some of the next fortnight body boarding with their son in Newquay rather than prostrate in agony on the floor of Jan's house near Yeovil.

8 Aug - 17 Sept 2013 - the Walkers walked from Minehead to Lands End, possibly with a break in Newquay to stay with their son who, according to Sal's niece Polly,, regularly visited them on the walk for food resupplies etc.

Their walk was never planned to go beyond Lands End and arrangements had been made for her to accommodate them after the walk finished. Many of the incidents described in this section of TSP appear to have been embellished (meeting the mystic at Culbone church/being mistaken for Simon Armitage/winning a pub quiz at Westward Ho) or entirely fabricated (meeting a wine merchant called Grant and getting a massage while being mistaken for SA/giving a recital of Beowulf in St Ives/going to a performance of Iolanthe at the Minack and getting a lift to Treen campsite with the actors in their van after the performance).

The incidents involving the Walkers being shunned by locals and castigated as tramps are difficult to disprove but contrast with the experiences of other individuals who have been made homeless and walked the SWCP (Andy Ault) who received nothing but generosity from the people they met.

The criticism of the hypocrisy of the Christian retreat at Lee abbey (where participants were allegedly charged £120) but in fact Lee Abbey had a policy of offering homeless people such as the Walkers free accommodation had they bothered to enquire!

17 Sept 2013 - June 2015 - far from defying the odds at Lands End and deciding to carry on walking rather than take a bus back home (despite only having £5.20 or £2.50 depending on which account you trust, neither of which would have been enough for the bus fare back to Newquay/Bristol) from their son's FB comments, it seems that they were given a lift back to Bristol and then moved on to stay the next 18 months with an old school friend of Sal's called Polly who apparently rang them up by chance as they neared Polruan in October. Except she didn't and she was their niece! So the first stage of the walk didn't end up in Polruan with the sighting of a peregrine falcon and the donation of £20 from their children to enable them to get the train back home.

What exactly the Walkers did during their stay with Polly seems unclear apart from a couple of day's sheep bagging by Sal. They may have gone off on a couple of short walks during this period but it's extremely unlikely that they managed to walk the rest of the 630 mile SWCP during this period. TW appears to have being getting PIP during this period despite the fact that there doesn't appear to have been much physically wrong with him.

What we do know is that TW visited a neurologist in mid June 2015 and received a very tentative diagnosis of something most resembling corticobasal syndrome. Interestingly he omitted to mention that they had undertaken sections of the SWCP in 2013 and 2014 and were planning to walk further stretches of the path from July 2015. TW's comments that his mother had died in her 50s seem strange (his mother was alive and didn't die until she was in her 80s) but may have played a factor in the neurologist's tentative CBS diagnosis.

July-Aug 2015 Where the Walkers walked in 2014 and 2015 remains unclear. We know they met the Parsons at the FAC on 8 August although unlike the description in TSP they were walking east to west and may have ended this section of the walk at Lands End. Incidents on this section of the walk such as the Australian worker being verbally abused by the owner at the Mullion cafe appear to have been entirely fabricated.

What we do know is that TW started a 3 year HND course in horticulture from Sept 2015, not Sept 2014 as described in TSP. As they were walking west in August 2015, there is no evidence to suggest that they ended their walk in Polruan where they by chance met Anna who offered them accommodation in Polruan before TW started his university course in September. A more likely scenario is that the Walkers stayed in student accommodation, perhaps near St Austell for the first year of TW's course.

In terms of money, the claim that they had to survive on as little as £30pw (at Mousehole) seems far fetched, as by this time TW may have been receiving PIP and this was probably more than £30pw.

July-Aug 2016 - although the walk from Poole back to Polruan is described as having taken place in July/Aug 2014 in TSP, the short walks described by Polly that they undertook while they stayed with her, makes this unlikely. A different scenario is that they walked the stretch between Poole and Polruan from July-Aug 2016 during TW's summer vacation. They would have had accommodation available, and probably been receiving PIP as well as a student loan. So they almost certainly weren't surviving on £30-48pw at this stage of the walk.

Although some incidents that occurred on this stretch of the walk appear to have been embellished (the visit to St Alban's Head NCI where they were charged £1 each for a water bottle refill and told that a walker had recently fallen off a cliff nearby while taking a selfie). The chance meeting with Dave and Julie may have taken place (the shadow of a tent on Chesil Beach in Sal's IG feed corresponds to the account in TSP of them camping alongside each). TW's clothing (khaki trousers) and Sal's rucksack (photo at Adelaide Chapel) suggest a change in clothes/equipment from IG photos taken in 2013 and 2015.

The 2016 walk may have ended in Aug 2016, near Polruan as there is evidence of a meeting at a cafe run by a Costa Rican with Anna and may help explain why the timeline in TSP was concertina'd into 12 months (Aug 2013-Aug 2014) rather than 4 years (Aug 2013-Aug 2016), the last 12 months of which they may have been living in student digs and receiving PIP + student loan payments. As for the peregrine falcon watching local or the man walking a tortoise called Lettuce, there is no evidence that this occurred.

If the Walkers didn't start living in Polruan until Sept 2016, this may explain why nobody in Polruan really remembers them, apart from one person (Boos Coffey) who saw them walking their dog Monty in West St. They left Polruan in Dec 2018 to live at Haye Farm and were only in Polruan for 24 months and for a lot of this time (March - Dec 2018) Sal was busy travelling and promoting TSP.

The health claims of TW's miraculous CBD recovery appear spurious as the first diagnosis didn't occur until June 2015 thus disproving the supposed improvements in TW's condition in 2013 and 2014. In 2016, the improvements take place within a couple of week's of the start of the walk from Poole, again disproving the notion that only after 200 miles of arduous walking did TW see any improvement in his physical condition.

So the story in TSP appears to largely be a load of old cobblers! The claims about homelessness, recovery from CBD, walking 630miles of the SWCP in a little over a year and many of the encounters on the walk, appear largely fabricated. The only two facts which we can be fairly sure about is that they lost their house in Wales in June 2013 and began a new life in Polruan, possibly in 2016. The rest is largely fiction.

As for the shift from glum washing to green washing that occurs in TWS,LL (and possibly OWH) well, according to the previous owners (Alix Vincent) of Haye Farm and numerous other sources, that's also a load of (apple) cobblers!

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