Military conscription

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There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

I'm in Scotland and if any other country invades us I will be the first to take up arms and would fight to the death to protect it and our people. I'm a 52yr old female btw.

Women couldn't vote in World War 1. The world moves on.......

My mum's side of the family are all from Scotland and I believe you!

The first step to any conscription would be calling up people on reserve.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4grjxl4w06o

Any whatsthe relevence of that to the comment ireplied to which wss " A good example of this would be certain women of ww1 who gave men flowers as a sign of cowardice....but those same women would not put themselves in danger"

Well no – warfare has completely transform in last few decades. Wars are not fought on the ground anymore, and they aren't fought with numbers anymore. The army will not want anyone not willing to join them.

You have projected the toxic right onto the left. Stop it now. It is the toxic bile from the likes of Reform and the right wing owned media which have caused so much hatred and conflict in the UK.

It is not hypocritical to call people out for shitty attitudes and behaviour and ask them to fight if it was necessary, and yes, it is a good idea to sent them to the front line first, a few less scum to feed.

When there is a war either you stick out your chin and fight for your country or you are a problem to your country - although in WWI I think the conscientious objectors actually found a very elegant solution in which they helped humans not the war.

However, I see that Macron’s recruitment of volunteers was oversubscribed on the first day, so maybe the French will stand between us and The Worst. Vive la revolution ahem.

@Didimum

Well no – warfare has completely transform in last few decades. Wars are not fought on the ground anymore, and they aren't fought with numbers anymore.

This seems to be a common stated belief on MN but has nobody been following in any detail at all the Ukraine/Russian conflict?

When there is a war either you stick out your chin and fight for your country or you are a problem to your country

Anyone who isn't working towards the war effort is a drain on resources. Rather puts the contributions of anyone who was under 16 in 1945 into context doesn't it ?

The difference is that they don’t have any money or direct combat allies. The west does.

There's a war being fought in Europe right now on the ground, with huge numbers of people. There is zero reason to believe that any other war in Europe wouldn't also be fought on the ground. War has not changed that much, people need to stop believing that nonsense, especially politicians that are in charge of making decisions about funding.

Yes, with nations that have comparatively no money or military allies.

The Ukrainians have been equipped to an increasing degree with current generation weapons for use on the battlefield (e.g. NLAW, up to date modern self propelled guns and battlefield missiles - Atacams, etc) aprons and are still receiving financial support...they aren't fighting with sticks and stones.

The Russians are using their best available equipment and soaking up massive casualty numbers....it's all turned into an old fashioned slog and a numbers game.

Yes in a NATO context NATO air would (hopefully) make a difference but if you want a template for a 21st century landware then Russia/Ukraine is it..you need armies.

Problem is maintaining a standing army if any size is very expensive.

In recent years Europe/UK governments have been increasingly unwilling or unable to spend on defence and so to stop public disquiet to some extent have been quite happy to go along with the idea that it can all be done by cyber/drone/bit of air power at a push...frankly that's delusional, but it goes down well with those that don't agree with defence spending or think their kids could be called up to fly drones from the safety of their bedrooms.

Russia has (well, had) a ton of money to throw at this war, Ukraine has been supported massively (though still not enough) with money and equipment - this isn't two dirt poor countries fighting, these are modern countries with modern economies, Russia's economy being massive in fact, and they still fight on the ground because that is the nature of war - you cannot invade without boots on the ground if the invading country fights back.

Russias economy is in the shitter.

No one said they are doing it with sticks and stones, but they are very much doing it without any direct military allies. As are Russia. It’s simply true.

Of course warfare requires ground force, but not in the numbers necessary for national conscription. And as I said, the army do not want unwilling soldiers – they’ve said this of conscription and national service duty recently.

Modern wars reward skill, competence and cohesion, not numbers. And economic damage very quickly outweighs military gains.

See above. I won’t keep repeating it.

@Didimum

And as I said, the army do not want unwilling soldiers

Oh, I served for a while (blue uniform), I'm sure none of HM forces want the unwilling..but we are where we are, this problem has been a long time in the making.

No one said they are doing it with sticks and stones, but they are very much doing it without any direct military allies. As are Russia. It’s simply true.

Are you forgetting North Korea?

Also dirt poor.

Yeah it is now and no surprise considering how much they've spent and the effect of sanctions but before the war it had a powerful economy

The army in my country does want conscription and considers it essential for national defence. Which army is correct?
Though tbf they're not unwilling conscripts in my country.

But soldier rich, and willing to send their soldiers to fight in Ukraine.