Military conscription

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There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

He's 7 right now, he doesn't have much of an opinion on it yet. But if he doesn't want to serve in the military he will have the option to do civilian service or unarmed military service (which I presume would be things like communications or medic work). The other alternative is a 6 month prison sentence, which I wouldn't recommend.

Nothing is like anything else.

I get it.

Well said! My grandad said either fight for the country you want, or put up with whatever the invading bstrds want.
People are so fortunate in this country, and take it for granted. Nobody has learned from history.

I support that idea too - it would be a great way to fill the teacher gap, particularly in science and maths.

If we offered to wipe out tuition loans for graduates who agreed to do their PGCE and teach in state schools for say 5 years, it would provide education with a lot of talent very very quickly.

The same could be applied to many other areas as well - looking at ways psychology graduates could help fill gaps in mental health services etc

Well sure, but you’re offering right?

Ha, love all the peacocking and posturing.

Six years ago your PM told you to strap a pair of knickers to your face and not leave the house. You let him keep you from your family. You let him leave your relatives to die alone. You let him dictate who you spent Christmas with while he partied with the toffs.

When your PM tells you to sign up or send your children you'll all do it. You will not be brave enough to say no, just as you showed them in 2020.

Not so sure just having a qualification instantly makes you a teacher. I can assure you that I would not have been very good at it.

But as a principle to pay off your loan, I'd support it. Especially when you remember how many times you are told that <x> isn't possible because there's a labour shortage.

Just FTAOD I am imagining a sort of barracked service that removes 18-(end of FTE) year olds from their locality and mixes them all up to then do some basic PE and whatever they can do from their career skillset.

For goodness sake - of course it applies. It's a basic psychological concept that the Guardian tapped into for advertising purposes in the 1980's, not something they invented.

Two people watching the same clip can easily have two different interpretations because everyone will have their own biases. People naturally take from things what they want to hear and what confirms their own view point.

It's why there is so much cognitive dissonance around at the moment!

So Mummy will not let her 'DC' go. Hopefully other Mummies will let their 'DCs' go to fight for those hiding in Mummy's house.

So your argument is we let tyrants kill whomever they want, just don't conscript anyone to stop them? So you'd be happy to sit back and let me try to stop Hitler and do nothing? Or would you rather be like the Republic of Ireland who discriminated against those people who stopped Hitler when they returned home.

I really don't get your argument, why would you let a tyrant like Putin take over Europe/the UK without mobilizing the fit active young people to stop him? Naturally, not everyone wants to go to war, but there are times when you must.

Sounds similar to civilian service in my country. They first are grouped together for a few weeks to learn about things like rescue and protection, violence prevention, environment and society, and then they get employed doing something useful - in my daughter's school there's a lad doing his service as an assistant teacher, my brother did his in a research lab, hospital porter is another common one i think.

She has a point on rich, old men getting others to die for them. They should go first.

Unlikely.

I think OP’s point is fair though: people who are so pro conscription should be first to volunteer.

My elderly mum pointed out to me that she thinks Labour have u-turned/amended on inheritance taxes of farmers because the farmers have reminded them that they provide home grown food. If we can’t import the government will suddenly realise how important they are.

Sounds eminently sensible. So probably not really for Britain. Certainly not as a whole leastways.

Who floated national service at the last GE?

What’s this? YouTube could be anything

That's not really a thing. Tiresome though it is, the UK hasn't been self sufficient in food for two centuries. No matter how much carrot cake it cooked.

At least I'm being honest

I get the impression a lot of these people are more than happy to send others

But when it comes to it they would not go

So assume by that response

If it came to it

You and your children would happily sign up to fight on Eastern Europe?

People generally don’t happily sign up to fight. If they did, then conscription wouldn’t be necessary. You have a very obtuse understanding of conscription.

YANBU. Anyway they crapped on young people during the pandemic and with student loans and all the rest of it. Also these days, many can't drive! They won't be up for it on the whole and I don't blame them.

People generally don’t happily sign up to fight.

But ungenerally they queued for for hours in 1914. They were overrun with people signing up.

Funny old world wasn't it ?

If needed, they'd be taught to drive. Like my DGM was.