In wanting Mumsnet to help Judi Dench and Joanna Lumley

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Last week, Israel banned 37 international aid organisations from operating in the strip, including Oxfam, Save the Children and Medicine Sans Frontieres (MSF). MSF delivers one in three of Gaza’s babies, and experts warn that immediate action must be taken to prevent a catastrophe.

It has prompted more than 100 leading members of the arts, including Dames Judi Dench, Imelda Staunton, Joanna Lumley, Sienna Miller, Suranne Jones and singer Paloma Faith, to sign a letter urging popular online platform Mumsnet to join them in demanding urgent government action ensuring maternity care is accessible in Gaza.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-baby-birth-judi-dench-letter-b2896981.html

Nope that's not what I was saying. In fact the opposite. Read the post I was responding to.

We aren't complaining about the tone of the letter, but about the decision to publish it. Publically pressuring someone is a form of coercive control. Coercive control is never OK.

If you bothered to read more of my posts than just that one meme, you'd know this already.

No.

It's because I reject coercive control.

Tell me that you don't know about the Omnicause without telling me.

Funny that those who hold MN and organising on MN responsible for their own political gains are extremely bothered by anyone asking MN to speak out on any other women's interests and suddenly want this to be a politically neutral space.

You surely recognise that there is a difference between the platform and the posters who use it? Posters on the forum will have their own political interests and they might band together and mobilise to form some action. And I think that vast majority would fight for that to remain the case, even if we vehemently disagreed with that point of view.

That is quite different to leveraging a lot of emotional manipulation to have the entire forum to bend to your political interests.

Your argument dishonestly compares two different phenomena.

• In the FWS Supreme Court case: Justine has never taken a view on whether women have a right to single sex services and FWR regulars have not asked her to. Mumsnet provided a space, they aren't responsible for how we used it.
• In the case of this letter: Justine is being publically pressured to take a view.

Mumsnet is not your private army.

I don't think there's much of a difference when it creates a platform for one side a political debate only and allows many things that go against the platforms published rules and guidelines but turns a blind eye.

I also don't happen to think women's safety is a political interest to one side or the other and that asking someone who runs a site mostly aimed at women and mothers to support women's in Gaza should be particularly polarising or "emotionally manipulating" so your badgering isn't gonna work.

You guys already ahe your own thread on this anyway.

Which guys, what are you on about?

I'd say given MN turns a blind eye to it's guidelines and rules being broken on FWR that is taking a view...

FWR also love publicly pressuring people to take a view, calling them handmaidens or people who support the abuse of children if they don't publicly espouse GC views.

But anyway..

I just think it's funny that the FWR usuals will never beat the echo chamber allegations and it tickles me to seer you say things like omnicause when many of you tick all the right wing omnicause boxes and catch phrases.

I don't think it's a bad thing for anyone to be asked if they care about women and children , you clearly do.

I'm not a fwr usual, although I agree with their point of view - I just haven't got the energy to keep up with the sheer amount of content on that board. Actually, those who disagreed with the opinions on there did go on to get their own board so that they had some kind of space and parity and the board was renamed, iirc - and it died a death because it never got used - but nobody objected to it.

‘Right wing omnicause boxes and catch phrases’.

What would those be then.

To the contrary, FWR has plenty of dissenting posters and anything against the rules is deleted.

A private letter to Justine is one thing. This letter was published. It's coercive control.

You are not the thread bouncer to decide where I can post.

If you cannot see a difference between public figures publishing a letter in the national press and private individuals posting on a forum, then that's a "you" problem.

i believe the vast majority will be locals who will have to remain there, with all of the risk that entails. Also the number of agencies' seems a red herring no? have spent some time and can't find a single reference to any entity that has obeyed<and all the major ones eg UN and MSF sanctioned...

Nobody is being "publicly" anythinged on FWR or anywhere else on MN because it's an anonymous forum.
Except for Justine, obviously. Because she's thousands of tiny women in a trench coat so can speak for all of us (or something)

Where is the laughing emoji when you need it?

I wish celebs would do more to try to help the women in Afghanistan. It must be appalling being pregnant and giving birth there, especially if you have a girl.
I know this is a thread about Palestine but you don't hear of many celebrities who are normally very vocal highlighting the terrible plight of women in places that aren't Gaza.

Maybe lots of us should write a letter to the papers naming a individual celebrity who we feel should take on this responsibility

YADNBU. It’s an urge to help for maternity care for those most desperately in need. Mumsnet at least in its old school form shouldn’t object to that. We are all big girls. Surely bigger than this? The CEO of Mumsnet doesn’t have to oblige/have to but there’s the ask and these are the answers. Sad that Mumsnet has become so callous.

Very much agree @Ellen2shoes , Thank you I agree think we can all get behind helping fellow women, especially pregnant women in need of care

Do you know what we have, in the UK? Members of Parliament. They should be the ones being targetted by a letter like that. Not a private person who happens to run a business.

Silly. We are the business so no obligation. We can choose whatever the CEO says to support or not.

I’m more interested in the posts

FWR also love publicly pressuring people to take a view

Oh come off it. Some women posting on a forum does not equal a load of luvvies and sub-luvvies publishing a terribly self-important letter, demanding that a private woman takes some sort of stand against the UK and Israeli governments, as if it's her duty, and as if she speaks for all the women on her forum, because they are "mothers". It's manipulative, and bullying.