In wanting Mumsnet to help Judi Dench and Joanna Lumley

[GiantBranch]

Last week, Israel banned 37 international aid organisations from operating in the strip, including Oxfam, Save the Children and Medicine Sans Frontieres (MSF). MSF delivers one in three of Gaza’s babies, and experts warn that immediate action must be taken to prevent a catastrophe.

It has prompted more than 100 leading members of the arts, including Dames Judi Dench, Imelda Staunton, Joanna Lumley, Sienna Miller, Suranne Jones and singer Paloma Faith, to sign a letter urging popular online platform Mumsnet to join them in demanding urgent government action ensuring maternity care is accessible in Gaza.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-baby-birth-judi-dench-letter-b2896981.html

and you would trust the IDF to treat you (and all your colleagues) fairly? Hardly comparable to providing your DOB and NI to your local council, no?

If you wanted to just focus on them OP then you should create a thread about them instead of plugging celebrities.

Most people signing up to work/volunteer in some of the planet's most desperate places are there in good faith; some are not (see Oxfam in Haiti). Better scrutiny and less assumption that everyone in a certain uniform is automatically a Good Guy would benefit all concerned.

A significant proportion of the supplies in aid conveys in war-torn/despot-ruled shitholes end up given out in bribes to local gangs at roadblocks along the way. Aid workers are used to having to grit their teeth and put up with outrageous shit specific to local situations.

Hamas categorically don't give a fuck about ordinary Palestinians and would happily cheer swathes of maternity deaths if they could blame Israel for it.

Well it looks like Israel is on course to cause more so playing into Hamas’s hands by your reckoning

I dont trust either Hamas or the IDF, for obvious reasons. Is there a reason why providing Israel with a list of names is more risky than being there in the first place, with the attendant risk of being World Kitchened or subject to the tender mercies of the jihadists for doing something inconvenient, and if so do we know why this only some charities think this?

Because it is only one of a list of conditions aid agencies are being told to comply with to gain access

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/53-international-ngos-warn-israels-recent-registration-measures-will-impede-critical-humanitarian-action-non-un-document/

and so, in answer to my question...?

Athena Rayburn, the executive director of the Association of International Development Agencies (AIDA), said the reaction on the ground was of "shock".
Speaking on RTÉ’s Today with Claire Brock, she said they explained that "we will have to close one in three health facilities, there will be no malnutrition support".
She added that there is "panic" over the move.
Ms Rayburn said the primary issue of handing over staff information is that the Israeli government has refused to confirm what they want it for.
"In private they tell us it is because they want to vet our staff and tell us who we can and can’t hire. They also refuse to confirm who has access to the data, how it will be used and the full usage."
She added that over 500 aid workers have been killed in Gaza in the last two years, and giving over this information when it will not be confirmed how it will be used is a risk their organisations cannot take.
Ms Rayburn said if the measure is fully enforced, there will be the "complete collapse of the healthcare system" in Gaza.

Explain to me again how Justine is meant to fix this?

Then why is the title of your thread

AIBU In wanting Mumsnet to help Judi Dench and Joanna Lumley

and not

AIBU In wanting Mumsnet to support maternity care in Gaza ?

You were the one who made it about celebrities. Why did you do that?

Quite - it could have been an entirely different discussion. Op chose the focus of it

BREAKING NEWS - it wasn't Israel who caused the current devastation in Gaza. I'd have thought Joanna Lumley would have had more sense than to believe the MSM.

Breaking news this is not about who caused what but about the situation of pregnant Palestinian women now

Have you ever been asked to sign an employment that said if you ever witnessed illegal behaviour you wouldn't report it to the authorities?

Good question.

And it seems a bit much to allow healthcare to collapse just because you don't want someone having your data when our data (such as name and address which seems to be what they're asking for) is routinely held by tech giants all the time already. Seems weird.

Bit much they won't put the lives of Palestinians before their names and addresses?

Especially when other agencies have given up their data with no problems.

No, the very title of your post makes it clear it’s about the celebrities. Whatever the cause, I am put off by the very mention of Joanna luvvie

If your dislike of Joanna Lumley overrides your concern for vulnerable pregnant women, it is of course your choice to prioritise that

I'm asking this with kindness @GiantBranch
Do you think posts like this are helping the cause that you clearly care so much about?

I genuinely don't know what duty of care provision is detailed when people sign up for these workplace situations, but assume it is very carefully worded given the kind of extreme and unpredictable scenarios arising in lawless disaster zones.

Aid agencies need to acknowledge that the way Hamas operates makes them vulnerable to employing/abetting terrorists, and find a pragmatic way to co-operate with Israel in this particular situation. It's only 37 agencies (approx 15% I think) that aren't complying so clearly it's possible?

Are you saying that supporting women who need to leave abusers isn’t something which crosses political spectrums? That’s bananas.

No. Have you ever heard the phrase "the ends don't justify the means"?

To steal a phrase from Anonymous: "Mumsnet is not your private army".

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Justine hasn't been "asked", she's been subjected to the coercion of being pressured in public.

No. I am calling out coercive control tactics, just as I do for women on the Relationships board.