Would you inform the school?

[Winterstorms2]

My friend recently got into an argument with her friend. The argument started off as a conversation which quickly turned into an argument, (my friends friend accusing her of things, name calling her etc) in the end my friend was spat at. She was horrified but does not want to do anything about it. My friend’s “friend” is a teacher. AIBU to think my friend should inform the school of this behaviour? Im tempted to do so myself! Our children both attend the school she teaches at. What would you feelings be?

And teacher could rightly say "that incident was nothing more than an allegation, no action was taken. It proves nothing"
Else you could make allegation after allegation about someone and have one taken seriously because "there were previous ones"

No i have not. No where anywhere did I i diclare that i thought it would be passed on. Someone said there is no point reporting it, and i said even if it nothing is done it will be on record! As in, police will have it down that shes been reported before, a pattern if you will of behaviour. No where anywhere did i say an incident report could be used against her i am fully aware she will not have a criminal record if she is not charged!

It certainly helps prove a pattern of behaviour

Unfortunately this is how a lot of domestic violence cases go as well,…incident reporting is always worth doing

This isn't the same thing though

You're talking absolutely BS and contradicting yourself left, right and centre

It doesn't provide a pattern of behaviour. It's literally repeated allegations.

Which, if anything, could become a harassment case against the reporter

@ brief, exactly.

Yes it does if there is something there to report of course it does. And no i am not contradicting myself, you’ve just realised you thought I meant “she would have a criminal record just because an incident was reported”. You can now see that is not what I meant and rather than say, wps I see what you mean now you are saying that I am contradicting myself.

But of course if the teacher does not cause another incident there is nothing to report. You are insinuating that my friend or i intend to continually report this individual for things she has not done? With no witnesses or cctv or evidence? Why on earth would we do that? If she has not done anything, there is nothing report?

Because of the very clear vendetta you have against her?

I haven't said anywhere that you've contradicted yourself? I'm simply stating that an incident report is not proof of a pattern of behaviour. An incident report isn't anything other than someone reporting an allegation, in reality its literally an individual reporting something to the police.
I don't have any intention of correcting anyone, simply that fact is an incident report won't be on anyone's behaviour record and wouldn't be attached to any future allegations, which is how I read one of your previous comments.
Time for me to move on. Hopefully you've gained the answer to your first question, no, it's not something people would report to a school as that's for the police to do.

And I have no where insinuated on here at all that I was under the impression that it would be attached to a behaviour record , that was your misunderstanding. And yes it was established a while ago that I had got what I wanted from the thread, my friend will be going to the police to report. Good day to you.

There is literally no point going to the police with an empty vendetta? You do know that dont you? Fair enough if i were to say, no one saw this happen and no one can prove it, but were going to the police anyway, i would understand your point. But given that is not the case im not white sure what you are trying to achive.

But you haven't even tried going to the head about the apparently very long standing issues with this teacher...

Anyway as you definitely remind me of another poster, I await the suspiciously quick turn around reply where:
The police announce they were horrified a teacher of all people did such a heinous crime and put all their effort into proving it happened
The accused is fired immediately by the school, before any police decision is made, and struck off from ever teaching again
The accused gets arrested, everyone is horrified a teacher did this and she goes to prison for life

I understand there is a section on DBS which states 'Other relevant information disclosed at the Chief Police Officer(s) discretion'
A teacher would require an enhanced DBS.
And if this was reported to the police, my understanding is it would be at their discretion.

I commented before on what might happen to a student who displayed these behaviours and it was suggested they could be excluded from school which would appear a severe sanction but if this was the rules indeed they should be followed.

On the other hand a teacher who is deemed to be the role model could go back to a classroom with no sanction if a complaint was raised or the school became aware (?via police) regardless where the transgression occurred makes a clear mockery of the system in my view.

An act of assault that can be proven is very very different.

Im glad you can keep yourself entertained in life by creating and imagining various scenarios

Either way it will be reported

"Before panicking (or celebrating in OP case) about this it is always important to look at the numbers. The latest numbers I have been able to obtain refer to the year 2022 and were obtained by accused.me.uk via a freedom of information request. They show that in that in 2022 4,446,635 enhanced DBS checks were carried out. Of these 1,466,420 of the applications were flagged for local police forces holding “intelligence”. However, only 4,751 applications included any of that further information held by local police forces. This means only 0.32% of the checks where there was further information did it make it on to the check for disclosure."

I'm assuming the 1 in 300 disclosures weren't for people working with kids who've had an argument with another adult get out of hand!!

You invested a lot of time into that, thank you

About 1 minute to Google and copy and paste. Not hard.

An accusation which goes nowhere won't show up on a DBS check because nothing came from it. And even if it did, the teacher would just be asked about what it was about and would say it was an accusation made that the police found no evidence to support

A student would also have to have more than just hearsay to be suspended

A school cannot just fire a teacher because of an accusation which the police decide there's no evidence to pursue. Can you imagine if they did? Parents who had an issue with a teacher could report them for anything and get them fired on no basis at all

Accusations of long standing bullying (by an apparent friend no less...) are worth reporting to the head too...