To be depressed that lockdown would happen again tomorrow if there was another new disease

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We talk about all the things that are worse "since the pandemic"but government prep is based on all the same mad nonsense that caused the worsening

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‘Too little’? So do more, such as?

That’s not going to work, I’m glad it’s just your view though

I think a lock down would be very, very unlikely. The negative impact on children and young people was too great. Increases in mental health, SEND, unemployment and disability benefits would put off any government.

My MIL was front line NHS. She’s got long covid, had to leave work, can’t manage her stairs without sitting down half way. It’s awful how it’s left her.

Isn't human overpopulation one of them. Nature will keep us in check somehow and something like a pandemic is a pretty good way to do it

Unfortunately " the vulnerable" often have families ,they are your GP,s your teachers ,your supermarket cashier .

So at what point do people get to think of themselves rather than others then?

Covid seemed to accelerate it didn’t it. People are so angry and so selfish now.

Which equally applies to a lockdown strategy. It was feasible for Covid because (generally speaking) healthy people of working age were at little risk, so essential services could be maintained.

But try convincing essential workers to put themselves at risk everyday if the mortality rate was high for them.

What a lot of people don’t seem to get is that there is no good way to manage in a pandemic, just the least bad way.

Once you have a pandemic, it will hurt society a lot.

So, lockdowns are very damaging in many ways. There is no doubt of that.

But a lethal virus, even not that lethal, burning through a population like a wildfire is far worse. Fortunately we never got to see this alternative.

Surely there would be more peoole becoming disabled needing disability payment ,s with no restrictions?

I remember a few days before lockdown when we first heard that it was a possibility and all my friends saying they weren't going to stay home and the government couldn't tell them what to do. Then we had lockdown and they all stayed home.

But more young people would be dying without lockdown, and I think most people are sensible enough to realise that. There are also basic imperatives like needing to keep your job that incentivise people to go to work.

Instead of doing your normal thing on here, I suggest you go read the report. Cheers.

Why on earth would you be depressed over that OP?

You might as well be depressed about the fact that you might die from sudden death syndrome tomorrow. Or that you might be run over by a bus next week.

It's utterly, utterly pointless.

Not at all, people mostly complied. And for some there was damage from that.

I would. Of course there were incorrect decisions made last time, many of which they only learnt in hindsight. I’d like to see the collective MN know it alls make a better job of it.

It’s like people forget others are humans. It’s little things like blocking roads instead of letting people go, pulling out on people at round abouts. Being rude to serving staff etc. it’s those sort of things

I’m good, I don’t care that much. Repeating lines from it is probably driven by politics so wondered if there was more to your views based on the virus. If not, fine.

When something is considered a serious enough risk its never left for people to choose. We can't even choose not to wear a seat belt, take certain drugs or ride a motorbike without a helmet. We're certainly not going to be allowed to choose whether we go about risking catching and transmitting a potentially deadly new virus.

I'm not talking about lockdown or no lockdown - it wouldn't come into it.

If mortality rates for young people were high, there is no way people would risk themselves going to work everyday to keep your fridge stocked and your lights on. The country just wouldn't be able to function. A paltry salary wouldn't be convincing them.

But the saying goodbye to dying loved ones on a phone held in front of them by a medical practitioner, not giving your bereaved mum a hug at your dad’s funeral, trapping old people alone in their homes for weeks, taping up park benches, all that, that’s what people won’t comply with. It was inhumane.

This shows total lack of understanding.

Lockdown is a pandemic management tool that involves prioritising the welfare of some groups over others. The same with not locking down. The government is choosing who are the collateral is.

Hopefully the last one was for the greater good. It would be very unpleasant indeed to think we did all that harm and the pros didn't even outweigh the cons. At this point it's guesswork either way, but I know what I would prefer to be true. However, even if we do one day get into a position where we can prove that lockdown was the least worst option, it will still be true that it massively fucked over some people. The same would also have been true if we'd chosen not to lock down (I don't think we could actually have avoided it, but theoretically).

Exactly. Covid was unusual in that it was serious enough to prompt lockdown, but not serious enough for societal collapse, which enabled a version of society to function even under lockdown. A more virulent illness, like the haemorrhagic fevers which some people sound a bit too gleeful about the prospect of on here, wouldn't allow us to have the same kind of "normal life lite" lockdowns again.

I think we'd comply in more intelligent ways. No way would I let any family member suffer what my dad suffered: six months in a hospital two hours from anyone he knew, no visitors allowed except my mum who has dementia so someone had to collect her wait for her drive her back but not visit him, unable to use his phone as his hands were so swollen but nurses far too busy to help him so he couldn;t even get our phone calls 90% of the time. Then moved to a truly horrible nursing home as it was the only one that would accept him at the time. he died there.

My son developed anorexia in his 'bubble' of none in his first term at uni as no one else in his flat turned up and he wasn;t allowed to mix with other flats because computer said his flat was 'full'.

I would happily break such cruel, pointless laws which swap one potential danger for a genuine one of chronic isolation and depression which creates severe health issues. too.