Hurray for Venezuela!!

[ForRedPoet]

So disappointed but not at all surprised at the reaction from MNetters safe and cosy who have no real idea of what 26 years run by a drug/sex trafficking dictator has been like.

You have no idea.
Reasonable methods of protest have been shut down and punished, elections are a sham. There were not food let alone arms to do a coup.

We needed an outside force. We are not stupid and contrary to comments on the other thread like "Anyone cheering that is as stupid as it is possible to be", we are sceptical but at least now we have a chance.
How dare left wing keyboard warriors be so priveledged to think they know better than people living there.

Hurray!

There’s a few reasons why Venezuela is not the same those places but surely you have hope for the people anyway.

That has nothing to do with the questions I've asked.

Of course there is still uncertainty and apprehension about the future but I don't get this narrative by people who have never and will never experience what it is like to live under such a repressive regime trying to paint it as negative and pretend Venezuelans are upset and prefer life under Maduro.

Can you show me where I've said anything of the kind? Hint: you can't, because I haven't. I've asked a valid question that the OP should have some insight into, which relates to the long term prospects of the country after the initial period has passed.

You, like others on this thread seem to be accusing me of being a bot or a pro trump supporter.
I suggest you actually read my posts where I clarify I am not.

I am not sure what your issue is? Is it the hope we have now!? Or the fact Trump did it? We do not give a shit.

We gave a shit that 100s of 1000s were killed under our regime. We had no food. No human rights. For longer than some MNs have been alive. The world forgot about us for so long.
And yet some of you seem qualified to tell me we should not be celebrating. Wow.

What a bizarre comment.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. We know Maduro was a horrible dictator and ruined your country. That’s terrible and so sad for you all. If you think the puppet regime Trump will put in now will be better for you, then look at Chile back on the day. Look at Iraq. Look at Libya. I’m sorry this has happened to you.

Get stuffed, no chance should the US and Trump be interfering or anywhere near the UK.
Rather Starmer a million times over than Trump who I think is deranged.

A ‘Venezuelan’ who just decided to create an account today to post about this on a British parenting site, eh? You’re an astroturfing shit-stirrer and no one should be engaging with you.

I hope you enjoy be run by Trump. Be careful what you wish for.

We gave a shit that 100s of 1000s were killed under our regime. We had no food. No human rights.

And is the feeling there that Delcy Rodriguez bears no responsibility for that?

How does your brother feel about her?

And yet having lived under an undemocratic dictator you dont understand why the rest of the world should absolutely give a shit that Trump did this.

And now your country has been taken "over" to be run by another criminal who doesn't respect democracy, international law and that with out his history on women's rights and let's not even get started on children.

Trump is already interfering in UK politics and European politics as much as he possibly can. Feeding lies and propaganda shamelessly. Now onto Greenland

Not really, the Biden administration indicted Maduro in the US and placed a $25m bounty on his head and according to the US and many other governments Maduro was never recognized as a legitimate leader of Venezuela. Biden makes it every clear that the US will get Maduro one way or the other.

Maduro lost the election fair and square and since then the opposition leaders have had to go into hiding to avoid being arrested or killed. He works with Cartela from Colombia to traffic drugs and arms so good riddance. Cuba next.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/nicol-s-maduro-moros-and-14-current-and-former-venezuelan-officials-charged-narco-terrorism

Starmer's statement confirming even the UK don't consider him a legitimate leader:
"British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said on Saturday he was not sad that Nicolas Maduro is no longer president of Venezuela following a U.S. military raid, but he wanted this to lead to a more democratic government.
"The UK has long supported a transition of power in Venezuela. We regarded Maduro as an illegitimate President and we shed no tears about the end of his regime," Starmer said in an official statement."

So no he has not broken international law. And even if he did I would support breaking the law to end what's going on in Venezuela Cuba and Iran. It's easy for you to say but the law in your cozy safety where you will never be impacted by the activities of a despot like Maduro or the Cuban or Iranian regimes.

Btw people are being killed in protests in Tehran as we speak, wtf ks international law doing to help them????

Maduro is an absolute arse, for sure. The suffering he callously inflicted on his country was made worse by swingeing American trade sanctions. Many of these sanctions were extremely cruel, some would say deliberately so. By blocking medicines, food and making it exponentially harder to earn a living, Trump's sanctions went a long way towards bringing Venezuelan people to the point where they would welcome any intervention that brings change.

Simply by lifting its own sanctions, the USA will improve Venezuelan lives. This will obviously be a huge relief, but celebrating it is like kissing your torturer for unplugging his electric shock machine. Observers are saying we're pleased for your short-term relief, but alarmed at the same time. You've been lifted off the fire but dropped in the cooking pot.

Question: If Maduro had handed control of Venezuelan oil and minerals to the US in exchange for free trade, do you think Trump would still have replaced him?

If people don't understand that, then they have no idea what it has been like and are living in their own world of ideals.

It's precisely because people understand that they are warning against the naivety of thinking that the US is VZ's saviour. I have family in VZ, friends married to locals who stayed even after 2007, and one friend who had to abandon his house and flee with his wife, to Trinidad on his fishing boat.

I just watched Marco Rubio dodging the question of why only Maduro had been taken and not Caballo ($25m bounty) or Lopez ($15m) too. He wasn't willing to answer any questions on what happens next, either. Just insisted that it was a great success, most powerful military force in the world, no US casualties, blah, blah, blah, and we should focus on that.

Yeah I am old enough to remember when it was “Hurray for Iraq” and “Hurray for Afghanistan”…..

Should he go back do you think

You've started a thread to speak on behalf of an entire nation but anyone who disagrees with you is big headed. Interesting

I’m confused - wasn’t this thread deleted?

I think that it was pulled as some people thought OP was a bot. After investigation, it has been reinstated.

Ah ok thank you!

Welcome back thread 😄

And I hope the Iranian regime falls as well, the bloody Ayatollah coward is planning to flee and join Assad in "Failed Dictators Resort, Moscow". And hopefully very quickly followed by Cuba.

I've seen videos of Iranian authorities shooting protestors point blank and the world is silent but I'm sure once Trump intervenes people in their cozy homes in the UK and US will start protesting about how they "stand with the Iranian people"

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601054686

Again, I'd still be interested in hearing about how people on the ground feel about the Maduro regime (although without Maduro) still being in charge? Do they think Dulcy Rodriguez bears no culpability for the actions of the regime?

Don't they want their democratically elected leaders?

Best wishes. The people in Venezuela have been through hell.

I don't know where any of this is going, but I think it's pretty shitty to sneer at those Venezuelan people who are trying to have hope for change.

I'm a thorough cynic at heart, but there's a time and a place for it. Some of this "realism" we're seeing from posters, feels more like a sick form of gloating at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela deserves better. I'm wishing the best for you all, OP.

Venezuela has been under sanctions for a quarter of a century, doesn't that count as foreign intervention?

Just imagine if they had been able to sell their state owned oil freely, they would be the Norway of South America by now. They started selling oil to China (in RMB), things might have been looking up and then ........

......BOOM Freedom hits