Anyone watching Trump talk about invading Venezuela?

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

wow

no words

I'm British and I live in the US - thankfully, in a very Democrat state that's extremely sensible and anti-Trump.

I'm stunned. Yes, Maduro was horrendous and the Venezuelans seems happy - but...but...There's still a voice inside me that's saying "You can't do that!"

On the one hand, if I was living stuck under that regime, I'd probably be extremely thankful that Maduro had gone. On the other hand, it seems so retro in this day and age for any country to invade another.

I really don't know what to think.

I just want to point out that almost 70% of the US did not vote for Trump, just in case you think the entire country is nuts. About 64% of the electorate voted, and just under half of that voted for Trump. So that's 68% of eligible voters in the US who did NOT vote for him. We're not all nuts! 🙈

… no, all of Venezuela is not celebrating. How many Venezuelans do you know? Or are you just judging by what you saw online or on TV? In fact, I would say most of the smart people in Venezuela are terrified of what will happen next. I would be, too, if the future of my country depended on Trump giving a fuck about anything but making his cronies rich. The people I know in Venezuela are staying inside tonight, worried that American boots on the ground are next, especially since Trump has already made it clear that he’s DECIDED the Venezuelan opposition leader that has 72% approval “doesn’t have enough support or respect” to run the country. That’s a very, very clear sign that he has no intention of respecting Venezuelan democracy, any more than Maduro did! Actual people I know in Venezuela are saying this is closer to reality:

https://archive.ph/Oilcd (NYT article - archive link to avoid paywall)

I don’t get my sense of self worth from debating random middle aged women on MN. I don’t know enough about geopolitical situation in Venezuela to make educated comment (nor do most) however I was pointing out that a cursory glance at the reaction of the people of Venezuela should hopefully be a simple enough indication that your bitter and twisted hate for Trump is clouding your judgement re a very obvious fact this was a fantastic move. Zero civilian lives lost all USA military personnel unharmed it was a fantastic operation.

A fantastic operation?
You spelt illegal wrong.
Idiotic post.

@FFSToEverythingSince2020 thank you for the link.

Sorry to go off topic (I may create a new thread later about this). But My understanding is that Al Jazeera is funded mainly by Qatar governments. Qatar was in the press for human rights violations and doesn’t have a glowing report on Amnesty.

They seem to be quoted a lot on MN but I am unsure why they are so popular here. My understanding is they are based out of Doha
and I currently end up double checking anything I get sent on there as I do worry about whether they just publish what the authorities allow them to.

A quick AI check says:

The network's leadership (Al Jazeera), including the chairman and director general, are appointed by the Qatari emir following nominations by the Qatari cabinet, further reinforcing its close ties to the state.

Amnesty international says about Qatar - The authorities continued to curtail the right to freedom of expression, including by arbitrarily detaining individuals who spoke out for greater rights and freedoms.

www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/middle-east/qatar/report-qatar/

As I said the popularity in here surprises me - have I missed something about Al Jazeera or am I wrong about who funds them? Or about Qatar? I read a variety of news outlets but Al Jazeera isn’t a go to for me.

Regarding the opposition leader for Venezuela - I’d really like to hear an interview with her now. Is it safe to return immediately? I would worry about the drug gangs and prostitution ring leaders trying to murder her - from her own description the place sounds bloody awful. would it currently be safe for her to return? It would be horrific if gangs murdered her if she has such a huge approval rating from her people. I’d be interested to hear from
her what she wants to happen next. Does she want arrests of gangs etc first?

But thankyou, it makes more sense as to why so many Venezuelans are celebrating what Trump has done. If her approval is at 73% I can now understand why so many people are celebrating in the streets. I hope families eventually have a better/safer life.

PS he’s going for Iran shortly joint with Israel if movement of 🇺🇸 ✈️ over Atlantic last night is anything to go by. Look forward to your posts defending the Mullas when it’s over you bunch of crazy loons 🤣🤣

Who has said or confirmed that anyone has been liberated yet?
So far US has violated international law by attacking another country. Again! End. There has not been elections, or talk of them. We have not seen yet how many people were hurt or died in the attack. Neither we know yet what Venezuela will do about this.
It has to be beyond terrifying to the Venezuelans. Trapped between an old not good government and a US invasion. A US that wants their economic resources. Because that is the only real reason. Let's stop pretending any other way.

Well guess I don’t get my self worth from debating with people who admit they don’t know what they’re talking about. My grandfather was from Essequibo (feel free to google that) so I probably do know more about the geopolitical situation than most.

Whether this makes things better for Venezuela I don’t know. Whether it makes things better for Essequibo I don’t know but doubt it. It’ll be interesting to see which side of the dispute Trump comes down on for Essequibo. But there’s oil involved so he’ll probably declare it part of Venezuela/america’s newest state. I think this could be bad news for Guyana.

That'll help with net zero

Getting rid of a tyrant is no good unless he is replaced - quickly - with someone better. Which requires the people taking over to be intelligent, well-intentioned and well-organised.

Starmer should be absolutely condemning this and it's a great source of shame that he is too scared to criticise Trump's illegal actions, but to compare the two men and think that Starmer is worse than Trump (an adjudicated sex offender who illegally tried to overturn an election result and who appears heavily in the Epstein files) is utterly delusional.

This is a common method of trying to attack an argument: you attack the source rather than the information. I included that article because it is factually correct. You were apparently unable to disprove that, so instead you went on a diatribe against Al Jazeera. So here it is from PolitiFact as well. Please provide alternative sources if you feel that the information is factually incorrect; apologizing for going off topic doesn’t cut it. Going on an unrelated rant about Qatar doesn’t do anything to disprove what I’ve shared.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2026/jan/03/trump-maduro-venezuela-capture-attack-oil/

And here’s The NY Times on how Trump ha chosen a Maduro loyalist to run the country. People won’t be celebrating now. Same Maduro policies, but more pliant to the US - the absolute worst choice:
https://archive.ph/kUbqE

Also, what do you mean “safe to return”? Why would she bother, or assume it would be now? Trump has already said he won’t let her come to power, and has lied about her popularity. They’ve decided Maduro’s second in command will be more receptive to the US’ needs, like oil. See NYT article for source.

What about him? He stepped down from being a Presidential candidate and is now a private citizen. If he has dementia, he isn't going to be invading any countries to steal their oil.

Eh? Arrogant. embittered, up myself, and I think I know better? I literally said on the one hand X, but on the other hand Y, and so I don't know what to think. The very embodiment of an even-handed post.

Did you quote the right person? If so, you're off your rocker to take what you did from my very measured, balanced post.

Exactly !
He's so ridiculous..waffling on..
I laughed out loud.
What an idiot

And if Trump was going to break international law and do what he’s done let’s hope he’d thought about this and has a plan (which doesn’t involve the USA running the country). He really should have had someone legitimate lined up/plans for a very quick election. A power vacuum never ends well.

China, Iran, Russia - all finance the cartels.
The orange paedo Trump has just started his own Vietnam.

When did Trump get elected to be in power in Venezuela?

You sound like the Germans who supported Hitler in the 1930s. If you think we are being invaded, you are either delusional or have a far-right agenda to blame everything on immigrants and anyone who isn't a white Anglo Saxon Protestant.

No, it was the Spanish who were colonisers. Many, many Venezuelans are of native South American Indian origin.

No doubt he'll still be banging on about how unfair it is he hasn't won the Nobel Peace Prize.

We will still need oil and natural gas.

Did he have it during his time as POTUS?

He is also after the minerals in Ukraine.