Traitors - Black Contestants - WARNING, SPOILERS! (Title edited by MNHQ)

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SPOILER ALERT!!!

Time and time again black contestants are voted out early doors on reality show. The latest series of the traitors has been on for 2 days and 2 black women have already gone. I even checked the statistics with AI:

Black contestants are statistically eliminated earlier in some reality shows, particularly Survivorand Big Brother, a pattern that has been documented in studies and fan analyses, often attributed to systemic bias or strategic targeting, with discussions on the topic growing as diverse casting increases. While some instances involve clear gameplay, many viewers and players observe a recurring trend where Black individuals, especially women, are targeted in the early stages, leading to deep discussions about racism, privilege, and gameplay within these shows.

Isn’t it about time that protections were put in place on these shows, to make it a fair for all?

Racist in your eyes. Got you. I take it those posts are being deleted.

Personally, I think they're racist (and incredibly dim) because of their racist and dim comments, not because they disagree with a poster.

I noticed it and it made me very uncomfortable. First two out both black females.

And Keir Starmer put on a better campaign than the other candidates and that's why the only male candidate was elected Labour leader this time....

People might alway be able to justify individual instances but that doesn't stop patterns being there.

I hope so! The rest of the comments are just discussion. That comment is the comment of a white supremacist, to me it’s clear. You disagree.
Do I think that the denial of bias sometimes exposes an actual bias - yes. But I also think it would be unfair to call someone a racist if they simply disagree about a TV show.

Can I just say again that I have checked the 3 previous regular series and in all of them a white person was the first to be banished?

So in 1/4 series a non-white person has been first to be banished.

The cast appear to be about 2/3 white to 1/3 non-white this year so I don't really understand the pattern people think they are seeing.

(nb I am ignoring the celeb version because the contestants are known to each other beforehand and I don't think it's a good comparison. People voted Niko off first on that primarily because of his YouTube stunts IIRC).

I did notice that in the first challenge almost all of the POC's coffins were put in, and this putting them up for murder. I think Roxy was the only POC whose coffin was not put in a grave.

8 am white if it matters.

That's weird, I linked to an article in Glamour Magazine so no idea why that has been auto-hidden.

The previous suggestions of unconscious bias on Traitors weren't because of who is voted off first, but how the non-white players can be treated/viewed. E.g. Kas and Jaz having more suspicion on them for spurious reasons.

But there's suspicion on everyone for spurious reasons, especially at the start when there is nothing to go on. And surely the way you measure suspicion is who gets banished?

Kas got voted out and I remember some nonsense "Doctor by day, traitor by night" accusation - but they often try to drag people's professions into it because they have so little to go on (eg actresses, lawyers and other law enforcement, psychics). Jaz made it all the way to the final 3 and I can't see how one could say his voting off was due to race - Molly just didn't think Harry could be a traitor and Jaz forced another vote IIRC.

Nobody thinks leaders of political parties are elected because of their actual campaigns do they?

Does that make it ok?

And women excluded from being recruited as traitors in an earlier series. But what do you want to do about it, OP?

Is the preference here rather that everyone should ignore the head turning at the word 'Traitors' and to ignore the person who literally mounted another player because she knew them just because they are not white?

Sure. Which is why you look at patterns and not individual events.

This is why 'I don't see colour' is unhelpful.

But what pattern is there?

About 33% of the contestants are non-white and a non-white contestant has been banished first 25% of the time. I don't see a pattern. That's what I'm asking.

So you want the contestants to statistically analyse the racial backgrounds of all the players that have played in the history of the game, and then work out who deserves to win based on that?

That's not how the game works, decisions about who might be a traitor or not very much depend on individual events. Details, behaviour, words etc.

This happens all though the game with all the contestants, regardless of colour. We have seen it time and again, people being ganged up on for daft reasons.
There was a woman last year who was brutal. But that is part of the game, they want to get people out so there are less to share the money with.

Not saying there is no unconscious bias. Like has been said before, humans naturally trust people who look like them and distrust people who dont.

No, I don't think contestants should statistically analyse racial backgrounds.

But people watching might.

Even Claudia commented when male traitors picked male traitors.

So your answer is to ignore the head turning and the contestant mounting because what, they should feel bad about voting for some people reacting to their behaviour? I'm trying to understand what you think should have happened in this particular scenario that the thread is about?

If the two people voted out were out due to their really bad game playing techniques then is that not their bloody fault for playing the game badly?

Revealed preference vs stated preference.

Interestingly Minah in the last series stated that she was only willing to recruit another woman, and she placed absolute trust in Charlotte. That was badly judged on her part.

I'm saying that if you've previously heard accusations of unconscious bias influencing voting on Traitors and then you see the first two people to exit are non-white (and Ross has had loads of grief) and you don't think 'hmmm' then maybe you are digging in on a position that you want to hold rather than genuinely considering it.

Or you could say 'those two really were bad at this game' and not think they deserved special treatment for being bad at the game just to avoid being thought of as racist.

My position is that they were fucking awful at this game. Thinking they need to have been kept in for some reason based on their skin is racism.

Do they have the right to fuck up just like anyone else or not?

When talent shows such as Pop Idol and The X Factor were popular in the 2000s, talented black contestants were often eliminated in favour of mediocre white ones. I also remember Simon Cowell being quite dismissive of black contestants, telling one that she had "all the grace of a boxer".