Is it the begining of the end for Weight loss injections?

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Just watched a report on BBC news, they did an item on a woman who had type 2 diabetes and was prescribed Mounjaro, doctors were impressed she managed to come off insulin within a month. She had some weightloss and now goes to the gym regularly.

Her doctor admitted that there was widespread concern in the medical field that people who were buying it privately for cosmetic reasons not for medical reasons could face some consequences in the future such as muscle growth and bone degeneration and lack of nutrition - they simply don't have this data at present.

Feel like this is going to be big news in the foreseeable future.

I know people that have broken their gastric band by overeating. Something which is also not supposed to be possible

Think you've blown your beans now OP. Usually better to wait til a bit later in the thread.

Oh, so the faux concern and disingenuous pondering have now disappeared? And we are now seeing your true, spiteful nature. Nice, really nice.

It must be miserable having your twisted outlook on life.

No one has said its not possible to overeat on WLI but it will make you feel unwell potentially and surely the whole point is that you are trying to lose weight so with a bit of motivation plus the effects of the jabs then most people are successful.

On the WLI boards almost every person has overhauled their eating and are giving it their best shot. You can't help everyone even with some of the amazing medical interventions that exist. My friend had a kidney transplant at age 20 that they had waited years for, then spent the next 10 years getting absolutely wasted and making themselves very unwell. Most people wouldn't do this.

Don't question @BeginingoftheendforWLI 's caring. They care so much they changed their user name. They really really care and are deeply concerned about all our health.

🤣 I mean, it is pretty sad isn't it, the user name thing.

Funnily enough, when I started mounjaro the idea of eating a curry or pizza became very unappealing and I actually heard the words “I fancy a nice chicken salad, is there one on the menu” come out of my mouth. I am totally resetting my diet and listening to what my body needs rather than what I used to crave.

Eg if I’m meeting friends for coffee I don’t have a pastry or slice of cake any more, I look at them and I simply don’t want any. Is not hard, I don’t feel denied a treat or that I’m being virtuous. I’m basically developing “normal” eating habits that naturally slim people have.

The hardest thing for me is that the hit of fat and sugar from a bar of chocolate used to be my comfort/stress relief, so I feel a bit discombobulated and am finding new ways to self soothe that don’t involve food or drink.

Agreed. I'm on holiday right now and I've absolutely promised my DP that I am not denying myself anything I actually want. I've turned down loads of treats and sweets and alcohol, not because I'm being "good" and secretly wanting it, I just don't want it. That's why MH makes it "easier". It doesn't melt the fat off or even just suppress appetite, the blood sugar / insulin balance is handled far better so that thing when people say ,"I forgot to eat lunch"..I get that now.

Yes. Again certain concerned citizens have no idea what the drug does. I always order a chicken salad in a restaurant now and too much sugar is intolerable. I had a phase of just eating chicken breast… I couldn’t be bothered to eat chips. Def makes me want the protein.

But even if that’s the case - which I don’t believe it is with most people (I can’t even eat greasy/fattening stuff anymore) - why do you care? And also what difference does it make? If the person was eating the full pizza before they were still unhealthy weren’t they? Only fatter.

At least on WLI’s they’ll be less likely to end up in hospital with obesity related diseases, saving the NHS money - right?

Were you starting threads before the advent of WLI’s hand wringing about the obesity crisis and how worried you are about fat people’s health? Of course not.

Again, lack of critical thinking and virtue signalling/judgement wrapped up as caring about something which is no concern of yours and affects you in absolutely no way.

Which camp are you? (bc I believe these threads are usually started by one of two types of people): an overweight person who isn’t eligible for WLI’s on the nhs and either can’t afford it or doesn’t want to give up the comfort of binge eating? or one of these disordered thin people who obsesses about food and flagellates themselves at the gym in order to be thin and has always felt superior about it - and is now peeved that overweight people don’t have to work as hard as them to lose weight? Am I close?

Something tells me that the OP is the one sitting at home, stuffing her face with a kebab and mad as Hell that she can't afford WLI.

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Type 2 diabetes is not an autoimmune disease

Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease and is not reversible

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@everydaysaschoolda I didnt say it was. I said I had reversed my condition which is not diabetis.

It's not something I would do as you also have to have certain co-morbidities to get it on the NHS and I can't afford it privately. I would definitely be eligible from a private perspective.

If you lose weight you lose muscle as well as fat - the answer is to eat a lot of protein and that's what decent weightloss programs make sure you are doing (eg juniper).

It’s medication. All meds no matter what have side effects. People need to do more research before starting to take something. You need to be your own advocate. I learned the the hard way during my pregnancy.

I wouldn't say the beginning of the end.

But yes, of course once you have much more widespread use of a drug with such a significant effect, there may well be outcomes that become evident that could be serious.

That's not unusual with drugs when they enter the market and become widely used.

I'm not sure why some people seem so shocked that this is a thing, it seems pretty predictable to me.

Are you just bitter that you are a fat person who can't afford them? Or are you a miserable cow who wants everyone around them to feel as bitter and sad as you?

Quite sad that you feel such a need to be judgemental and pessimistic in your attitude. Let people live however they want and keep your nose out of others business.

@TempestTost people aren't shocked that recent medications might sometimes have as yet unknown serious side effects. People are, reasonably, pointing out that there's nothing different or particularly dangerous about WLI injections that makes this any more likely or probable. In fact, they have been in use for a fair while in various forms and there is not as yet any evidence of long term issues. Far from it in fact, when the medications are being studied as treatments for various other conditions related to the effects that they have on our bodies.

Exactly the same for me, too. I'd always had such a sweet tooth which only got worse in peri menopause. As soon as I started Mounjaro that switch was turned off. I didn't crave sugar at all. That place in my head just didn't exist anymore.

Her doctor admitted that there was widespread concern in the medical field that people who were buying it privately for cosmetic reasons not for medical reasons could face some consequences in the future such as muscle growth and bone degeneration and lack of nutrition - they simply don't have this data at present.

You mean muscle loss, or sarcopenia. Which is problematic.

obes affects the things you mentioned AND Kills. It is linked to heart disease, cancer, diabetes and many other diseases.
People struggle their entire lives with their weight, while often being blamed for an adverse condition for which they possibly have a hereditary predisposition. The weight loss injections are prescribed and the users monitored.
surely having the chance of improving short and long term health outcomes is a good thing op?

For people who are morbidly obese WLI are a better option, but I don't think you've expressed a valid point well.

The risks ARE already known - eating in a deficit for a long time (more than a few months) risks nutritional deficiency.

In long term calorie deficits the body will strip away its own muscle tissue and even bone for energy.

Its ruinous for digestion - there's less energy to digest food.

The body also shuts off less essential processes like skin renewal and hair growth and hormone synthesis which require calories.

@ChinFluff46 On any diet you need to be in a long term calorie deficit to lose weight. On wlis you have plenty of advice from pharmacists about nutrition. I steadily lost at 5lb a month and my stats went from nearly all red to all green and my metabolic age dropped from 10 year older to 2 years younger than my actual age. My muscle and bone density is normal to excellent now but most excitingly they seem to target fat loss around your organs and my visceral fat is in the excellent range down from positively dangerous levels. It's made my body healthy where it was damaged. Bloody incredible. I wasn't morbidly obese but I was obese at around bmi 32 when I started tracking.