All my historically fat friends have gone thin this year

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Okay maybe not ALL of them, but a few friends/acquaintances who have been very big for years and years, tried everything but could never shift the slightest bit of weight, have all had dramatic transformations and shed many stones over the past year. It’s just becoming expected now whenever I see another formerly large acquaintance or relative pop up on my feed with a super slim selfie.

I (rightly or wrongly) suspect it’s got to be WLIs or similar? Although all are adamant it’s a strict diet only. Just to add there is NOTHING wrong with jabs at all, and I’m aware it’s absolutely none of my business, and I sound mean but I wouldn’t actually discuss this in RL. It just got me thinking that being overweight might be obsolete in a few years?

Anyone else noticing this trend with people they know?

Yes ive noticed this and i think some people feel its deeply personal and non of anyone elses business ,some feel theyll be judged for taking the "easy" route (i dont think it is easy) some feel guilty for not being able to deal with weight issues themselves,some are embarrassed.
I dont think they should feel that way and wish people had the confidence to be open about their experience as we could all learn something.

Tell me you’re not jealous without telling me you’re not jealous.

I believe it the vast majority of time it's the WLI ..same here, everyone I know is getting slim. I know 1 person who has lost around 5 stone APPARENTLY without..but everyone else is admitting to the injections. I'm very large and overweight but terrified of using them..I can just see in 5 years time, health issues arising.. I'm going to try my best to do it with diet and exercise

I’ve lost 7 stone so far on the “those fat jabs” as my mother lovingly refers to them. My sister is on them- openly- and my mother thinks they’re marvellous. Had I told her I was on them she’d have been far more condescending about it than just calling them fat jabs. Honestly it’s no one’s business. No one needs to know that I don’t get pregnant because I have an IUD so none of them need to know I’m no longer quite so fat because I’ve used Mounjaro. They’re not paying for them or injecting them so why does it matter? Ultimately the reason I’ve lost the weight is because I’ve eaten in a calorie deficit since the end of April. The jabs have made it easier but I still had to choose to eat the right things. Surely people being less fat than you are used to can only be a good thing?!

Impossible to say. In my experience the weight loss list no quicker than on any diet. So, a big water weight loss, followed by an average of 1-2 lbs a weight. I was very obese so lost 3-4 per week for the first month before it settled.

I think the reason people erroneously think it causes rapid weight loss isn't that it makes you drop more. Its just that you dont have the usual up and down that comes from being on again off again, like you do on a diet without medical support. Its not quicker per se, just more consistent.

It varies wildly. Like other weight loss approaches. You would expect to lose weight at around 1 to 2 pounds a week on average. The difference with WLI is that you can do that consistently for a long period of time. If your starting weight is very high, with a BMI over 40 and higher, then you can often lose a lot of weight quickly. On the Weight Loss support threads you see the whole range, from slow losers who lose less than a pound a week, to people who consistently drop higher than 2 pounds a week. And everything inbetween.

In 6 months you could lose 26 to 52 pounds, roughly speaking.

On average people have bigger losses in the first couple of weeks then settle into a 1-2 lb loss a week pattern, with the occasional better and occasional worse week. The big difference with MJ is consistency, it’s easier to stick to your diet long term @and not end up having blow out binges and going backwards. I’ve attached my weight loss tracker to show the week by week. I haven’t updated it for a while because I’m in maintenance now so just weigh every now and again to check in.

Excellent stuff. Interested in fasting. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

Love that all three of our consecutive posts used the word 'consistent'. There's truth in it, for sure.

@Needtogetthetreedownnow

really hard to say, but also best to work on an average loss of no more than 1.5-2lbs a week.

so over 6 months, 26 weeks, you could reasonably hope to lose 52lbs, nearly 4 stone, which is a great loss.

you need to prioritise protein and nutrients in the calories you eat to maintain health and strength.

You are implying that people who have been obese for years could just lose the weight by eating healthily and that there is no need for medication.

This might be true for some people but not for millions of people who have tried and failed to lose weight, often for decades.

The medical reality is that most obese people are pre-diabetic or have type II diabetes and going on what you may call a "healthy" diet could be detrimental to their health without support from a GP and a nutritionist specializing in diabetes.

And helping people to reduce their weight so that they extend their life expectancy is not a waste of money.

Save your disdain for the mega food corporations who have used sugar to boost their profits for decades.

Yes, two overweight people I know are now slim. Never dared ask if it's weight loss drugs. I'm pleased for them, that they have this option.

I'm in the overweight category, but only need to lose a stone to have a healthy BMI so resisting, and trying to lose weight without. I can't afford the drugs, and I just feel if you can do it without then surely this is preferable, in case of any side effects.

Errrr, actually, @Rosscameasdoody does have a valid point!

I’m really interested in what you’ve said about willpower, because in behavioural psychology my understanding is that ‘willpower’ as a discrete and widely applicable entity is now generally understood not to exist. I think this is helpful to know because there used to be an idea that you either had generalised willpower (and were a ‘good’ person) or did not (and were a ‘bad’ person). What this tells us is that reasons for achieving or not achieving things in the various different spheres of our lives cannot simply be put down to personality traits but are heavily influenced by contextual factors, e.g. in your case with weight a physiological medical issue. For others, there could be deep-rooted issues around weight and childhood experience, not to mention the evidence around calorie-dense but nutritionally empty cheap food (there’s a reason that obesity and poverty are linked). I’m not saying that personality traits like determination don’t exist (I think they do) but these issues are way more complex than just personality traits.

Given the complexities of modern society, I think we need to decouple weight and morality. We are all products of our biology and our environment. Ultimately, if someone uses WLI to cause or accelerate weight loss, learns more about nutrition and takes up exercise as a result, this is a net positive for them as an individual and for society. Also, even if as a society we have a tendency to judge based on effort, while I do think it’s harder to lose weight without injections, it must surely still take effort to change some of the habits and behaviours that go with WLI usage.

How would she know? Are baggy vaginas discussed/compared in her social circle? And exactly how is the vagina 'baggy'?

Apologies, I thought you were referring to one person losing weight quickly due to WLIs. I fully understand the risk of diabetes.

They’ve been in use for 20 years so there’s a pretty well established basis of evidence for long term use and those are listed in the leaflet that comes with the pens and factored into the risk assessment when determining whether it is a suitable prescription.

This is interesting, I have endo & pcos and have to work extremely hard to be slim-think barely any food and working out daily
Do you think the jab would help a lot? How long until you saw weightloss? I have maybe 3.5 stones to lose

Very interesting take and I quite agree.

Oh you and your faux concern! 🙄

It’s great! I am the healthiest I have been in decades. I really wish it had been readily in my late 30s when the weight piled on and I failed with weight watchers.

I suspect a few of my friends are also on WLI as we have gone from being the largest ladies in the group to being in the middle in terms of size. Reckon we are all size 12/14 ish now.

I am really pleased I could afford as there are very few overweight women in my area. I am also fortunate to be able to afford maintenance in the long run should I need to.

I fear it is yet another example of a growing health inequality in terms of access and cost. The NHS will not be able to keep lots of people on it for very long periods of time and there may be the weight regain with those who have not adapted their lifestyle choices.

Oh @Yuja you must be mightily pissed off that now we can be thin without all the Ed behaviour, just eating healthier and no food noise, it's brilliant you should try it, been on it a while 5 stone down, and there's some very upset people. You should try it, no more just having a black coffee denial you just won't think about food it's brill! It seriously gets on people's wick though that you won't talk about it, I don't because a, it's boring, and b, it's none of your fucking business.
In the same way that if they asked me how I paid for my new car, or my sex life, I'd tell them to keep their beak out, rude bastards.

Most overweight people do not have a spare £125-£250pm (depending on dose) and if they did, wouldn't spend it on WLIs because they would place a higher priority on a family lifestyle that includes eg fully functional household appliances & every day technology, an annual holiday, or a sufficiently comfortable and spacious home to live in

Weird point of view. I afford mounjaro because I no longer purchase take aways, alcohol and don't eat out as much. My weekly shop has also reduced by about 15%. It covers the cost. My priority is trying not to die. My adult children want me around.

As several people have said, the divide between those who can’t get prescribed in the NHS but can afford the drugs will just widen.

I can’t afford the drugs, am fat, admit I am massively jealous of those who can quash their hunger with these drugs. I’ve lost weight by old fashioned calorie counting but it’s fucking hard. I don’t judge others as such but if it weren’t easier on the drugs, why would you bother. Yes you have to do other things but so do I. I’m envious but have no choice so unless these drugs are available to people like me, obesity in poorer people will continue.