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A controversial perspective is that the daily work routines of the wealthy and billionaires can, in many respects, be significantly more stressful than those of the average worker.

108 replies

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:26

Yes its not as straight forward and yes there are many workers that you could argue do more, but when your guiding and running large businesses and dealing with various people etc,

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:33

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:32

So how would you know how difficult their life is?

research, oxford university publications, then their debates on youtube, then other eg london school of economics, then harvard etc

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:34

these days with the internet the information is there its just analysing it thats the tricky part

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Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:34

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:33

research, oxford university publications, then their debates on youtube, then other eg london school of economics, then harvard etc

None of those things give you insight into how difficult their lives are.

I think you probably mean you would find it difficult.

but you are not them.

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:35

IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 12:32

Which ‘Oxford University research publications’?

unfortunally i didnt do a source list as im not writing an essay so it basically is a mix

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:35

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:34

None of those things give you insight into how difficult their lives are.

I think you probably mean you would find it difficult.

but you are not them.

and you could be correct but you dont need to be one to understand one

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HoppityBun · 30/12/2025 12:37

It’s been known for quite some time- before Google- that those who experience the most stress and ill health are those with little autonomy in their lives.

C152 · 30/12/2025 12:38

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:40

but without people like them , half of society would not be workers

That's a dangerous fallacy. Whilst there will always be those who create and those who follow/work, workers should not be beholden to those who create 'opportunities' (and whether the type of work created by Bezos - low wage, low or no benefits, poor working conditions etc - can really be considered the type of 'opportunity' society as a whole should encourage is a whole other discussion). Convincing a large proportion of society that their safety/wellbeing are reliant on one or two megalomaniacs creates a society of slaves too afraid to rock the boat or allow others to do so. Freely giving this much power to individuals who crave power and money for its own sake makes it extremely hard to remove the despots (Musk) once the consequences of their true nature becomes too glaringly apparent to ignore.

We'd be better placed highlighting the flaws in their thinking and striving/encouraging a more philanthropic approach that lays the groundwork for long-term societal improvement that raises everyone up.

Sneesellsseashells · 30/12/2025 12:39

There is a strong drive to earn billions that not a lot of people have. As part of that family commitments are dropped, money is used to replace proper human connections. In some ways billionaires are like professional athletes everything is put to one side in pursuit of a goal. Heck even non professional athletes can do this with no financial rewards for it. Balance is much healthier for most people. Poverty is deeply traumatising though, wealth for the person pursuing it, not those they have relationships with, is not.

OttersMayHaveShifted · 30/12/2025 12:39

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:42

well people moan if its Ai, so instead they have to make do with how i worded it, unless of course people want ai ? cannot have both

You could just think a bit harder and put some more effort into wording it.

I think if you thought about it a bit more, you might be able to see a big difference between a billionaire's work routine (more control over their working hours and an ability to delegate to multiple underlings, no physically hard labour not having to schlep to work on crowded public transport, staff to make them a delicious healthy breakfast, clean their house, do all their home admin, chauffeur their children to school, being able to afford eat out whenever they want, etc etc etc)... and a minimum wage worker doing long hours but with none of that stuff. I mean come on...

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:42

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:35

and you could be correct but you dont need to be one to understand one

No, you need to understand you don’t know one.

im a complete stranger- do you know what drives me? What stresses me out? What I thrive on?

of course not. So how could you know what drives a billionaire and what they find stressful?

you’re very grandiose- I think AI has probably been reinforcing your ideas

GiantTeddyIsTired · 30/12/2025 12:43

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:37

true but when most of the business is in stocks and shares rather than cash in the bank etc then its a different ball game

yeah - it's a ball game where you take out a loan using those stocks and shares as collateral and live very well without paying any income tax on that loan....

GiantTeddyIsTired · 30/12/2025 12:45

Having said that, whilst not a billionaire, I do have a senior management role, and it is more stressful than the roles I've had on the way up. I'm always on call, expected to be able to answer questions on basically anything in my department, take responsibility for my, and my employees decisions.

I'm in IT, so if something important breaks, or works incorrectly, it can take down the whole business.

Robyn847 · 30/12/2025 12:47

Did anyone else read the title and want to shout "PARKLIFE!"?

No? Just me then. I'll get my coat....

SpanThatWorld · 30/12/2025 12:52

HoppityBun · 30/12/2025 12:37

It’s been known for quite some time- before Google- that those who experience the most stress and ill health are those with little autonomy in their lives.

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Exactly.

Stress that you are in control of is a positive driver that spurs you on.

Stress you have no control over is extremely negative for both physical and mental health.

Now... Let's think how much control Elon Musk has over his life before we break out the teeniest of teeny violins.

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:57

GiantTeddyIsTired · 30/12/2025 12:45

Having said that, whilst not a billionaire, I do have a senior management role, and it is more stressful than the roles I've had on the way up. I'm always on call, expected to be able to answer questions on basically anything in my department, take responsibility for my, and my employees decisions.

I'm in IT, so if something important breaks, or works incorrectly, it can take down the whole business.

i think thats where people dont always see the disconnect, between the roles

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BlossomLeaves · 30/12/2025 12:59

I think this really muddles two very different things. Being well paid and being a billionaire are not remotely the same experience.

No one becomes a billionaire through hard work alone. That kind of wealth only happens through systems that extract value at vast scale, whether that’s underpaid labour, exploiting resources, or benefiting from political and economic structures that funnel money upwards unfairly. There’s also a big difference between earning money by working and having money make money for you. High earners are still selling their time, skills and energy. Billionaires typically aren’t, their wealth grows passively, often completely disconnected from effort or stress.

WalkDontWalk · 30/12/2025 13:00

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:42

well people moan if its Ai, so instead they have to make do with how i worded it, unless of course people want ai ? cannot have both

Cannot have both? You mean we have to have either poorly-constructed English or have AI?

Why can't we have well-written English?

Unless - oh! - unless you mean the choice is between poorly-constructed English and AI when the poster is you? Right. Then it's a one-or-the-other.

Okay. Can you give us a few minutes to talk that over among ourselves and get back to you?

Asuitablecat · 30/12/2025 13:01

But have your billionaires ever had to teach Shakespeare to a bottom set yr 9 on a Friday p5?

With a wasp in the room that you can hear, but not see.

And a kid with terrible flatulence.

And a kid whose sister everyone fancies walking past.

And slt doing drop ins.

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 13:02

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:57

i think thats where people dont always see the disconnect, between the roles

No the poster is describing a worker- a foot solider to the billionaire.

as have been frequently pointed out, being a worker is nothing like being a billionaire.

just think for a sec- if Elon musk is so busy and stressed running his business how did he manage to abandon it for 5 months to run DODG?

HauntedBungalow · 30/12/2025 13:03

What the fucking what now?

Shouldbeworkingnotreadingtalk · 30/12/2025 13:04

GeorgeClooneyshouldhavemarriedme · 30/12/2025 11:38

My heart bleeds for Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk.

Mine too … would you like to share my tiny violin ??

WalkDontWalk · 30/12/2025 13:04

Robyn847 · 30/12/2025 12:47

Did anyone else read the title and want to shout "PARKLIFE!"?

No? Just me then. I'll get my coat....

Very late contender for Most Entertaining Facetious Reply of 2025.

Hiddenmnetter · 30/12/2025 13:04

The average billionaire may have a life more stressful than mine. But if I’m earning £80k/year and they’re earning millions their life isn’t 20-30x more stressful than mine. The fact that my cleaner makes £30k/year probably doesn’t make my life 2-3x more stressful than hers- her husband was a drunken gambler who abandoned her. I imagine it’s probably MORE stressful. Doesn’t mean she should make more money than me.

im not arguing against the existence of billionaires, they’re an inevitability of any system that uses capital- however they do have a moral obligation to use their wealth for good and charitable causes. Anyone with any money has an obligation to do good with their money.

TheCompactPussycat · 30/12/2025 13:07

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:40

but without people like them , half of society would not be workers

Of course they would. They'd just be working for someone else. Other employers would fill the vacuum.

DorothyCrowfootHodgkin · 30/12/2025 13:11

Jamesblonde2 · 30/12/2025 12:07

I know why you have said this. Many times on here people say workers such as cleaners, call centre staff and the like work “just as hard” as those earning much more.

However, responsibility is a huge factor. For example the CEO could be responsible for 1000 people and them being able to pay their mortgage. And that responsibility is 24 hours, and not downing tools on holiday. And they’re not easily replaced like the cleaner etc.

Some people don’t like rich people (plenty on here) simply because they are rich. They contribute massively to their nations pockets. Let them buy and spend as much as they want I say, for every purchase they’re paying VAT.

People need to stop biting the hand which feeds them.

This, with bells on.