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A controversial perspective is that the daily work routines of the wealthy and billionaires can, in many respects, be significantly more stressful than those of the average worker.

108 replies

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:26

Yes its not as straight forward and yes there are many workers that you could argue do more, but when your guiding and running large businesses and dealing with various people etc,

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:49

thepariscrimefiles · 30/12/2025 11:46

So pre-Musk and pre-Bezos, half of society wasn't working?

I can't take someone seriously who holds up Elon Musk as someone to admire and emulate.

who said i was holding them up, i just used them as an example for my point and before them there were other people similar, eg jd rockerfeller with oil etc so society has always had these figures

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IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 11:49

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:42

well people moan if its Ai, so instead they have to make do with how i worded it, unless of course people want ai ? cannot have both

Are you suggesting that the only alternative to your garbled logic, incomplete sentences and lack of punctuation is AI?

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:50

IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 11:49

Are you suggesting that the only alternative to your garbled logic, incomplete sentences and lack of punctuation is AI?

well unless i suddenly learn to rewrite and write better in an instant then yes, as its much quicker better and faster

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:52

IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 11:49

Are you suggesting that the only alternative to your garbled logic, incomplete sentences and lack of punctuation is AI?

hows this version :

“It’s not that billionaires ‘work harder’ than the average worker. It’s that the nature of their work involves extremely high‑stakes decisions, constant pressure, and responsibility for thousands of employees. That creates a different kind of stress not necessarily more noble, but undeniably intense.”

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InterestedDad37 · 30/12/2025 11:53

I have no doubt that Trump works hard and puts in the hours on Epstein Island but it's quality, not quantity, and his work is as pointless as a toddler hammering a wooden toy with a mallet

anonlawyer · 30/12/2025 11:55

I don’t think you can conflate a billionaire and wealthy. You can be wealthy with much less than a billion and I fully agree that there is an element of risk reward (which is hugely stressful) for many wealthy.

A billionaire will operate their whole life like a business and will be reliant on those around them - take family offices for example, the decision makers are usually employed to make those decisions on behalf of the underlying owners.

There have always been super rich people. I don’t think they are the whole issue and they are often employers of numerous. Our current issues are two fold, previously economically poor countries now want to share in the worlds resources (fair enough) and the printing of money since 2008 by the developed world to shore up general lack of productivity. That money printing has driven up asset value but is purely inflationary. There has been no real asset growth and the result is that assets are increasingly unaffordable for the man on the street. We need to stop taxing risk takers into oblivion - and create environments where the average man on the street can have a good idea, start a business, employ others on a fair wage and earn significantly more than they would if they were one of the employees to take account of the risks they are taking. People talk about late stage capitalism being bad - well it’s down to our administration to put in place an environment where individuals can be competitive and you don’t need huge asset backed wealth to change your own outcome. This is badly expressed but if individuals cannot easily improve life quality sufficiently there is no ambition to do so.

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:56

no comment as its not my area of expertise to research political scandal's

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:56

anonlawyer · 30/12/2025 11:55

I don’t think you can conflate a billionaire and wealthy. You can be wealthy with much less than a billion and I fully agree that there is an element of risk reward (which is hugely stressful) for many wealthy.

A billionaire will operate their whole life like a business and will be reliant on those around them - take family offices for example, the decision makers are usually employed to make those decisions on behalf of the underlying owners.

There have always been super rich people. I don’t think they are the whole issue and they are often employers of numerous. Our current issues are two fold, previously economically poor countries now want to share in the worlds resources (fair enough) and the printing of money since 2008 by the developed world to shore up general lack of productivity. That money printing has driven up asset value but is purely inflationary. There has been no real asset growth and the result is that assets are increasingly unaffordable for the man on the street. We need to stop taxing risk takers into oblivion - and create environments where the average man on the street can have a good idea, start a business, employ others on a fair wage and earn significantly more than they would if they were one of the employees to take account of the risks they are taking. People talk about late stage capitalism being bad - well it’s down to our administration to put in place an environment where individuals can be competitive and you don’t need huge asset backed wealth to change your own outcome. This is badly expressed but if individuals cannot easily improve life quality sufficiently there is no ambition to do so.

thank you for this

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BlackCat14 · 30/12/2025 11:56

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:44

only with ai as then it can keep up and give detailed answers, i would prefer humans but trying to get the sheldon coopers of society to debate with is very rare

I’m dying to know what this means!

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:58

anonlawyer · 30/12/2025 11:55

I don’t think you can conflate a billionaire and wealthy. You can be wealthy with much less than a billion and I fully agree that there is an element of risk reward (which is hugely stressful) for many wealthy.

A billionaire will operate their whole life like a business and will be reliant on those around them - take family offices for example, the decision makers are usually employed to make those decisions on behalf of the underlying owners.

There have always been super rich people. I don’t think they are the whole issue and they are often employers of numerous. Our current issues are two fold, previously economically poor countries now want to share in the worlds resources (fair enough) and the printing of money since 2008 by the developed world to shore up general lack of productivity. That money printing has driven up asset value but is purely inflationary. There has been no real asset growth and the result is that assets are increasingly unaffordable for the man on the street. We need to stop taxing risk takers into oblivion - and create environments where the average man on the street can have a good idea, start a business, employ others on a fair wage and earn significantly more than they would if they were one of the employees to take account of the risks they are taking. People talk about late stage capitalism being bad - well it’s down to our administration to put in place an environment where individuals can be competitive and you don’t need huge asset backed wealth to change your own outcome. This is badly expressed but if individuals cannot easily improve life quality sufficiently there is no ambition to do so.

from my research eventually it will lead to universial basic incomes due to capitalism running out of steam

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Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:59

BlackCat14 · 30/12/2025 11:56

I’m dying to know what this means!

well look at how academically the responses are on this thread, vs if i used wikipedia etc i would have essays on all differnet aspects of capitalsim by now but when i dicuss with the general public like im doing now i got this level of quality so yea

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MaggieBsBoat · 30/12/2025 12:01

They’re not stressed, the pay people to be stressed for them.

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:03

MaggieBsBoat · 30/12/2025 12:01

They’re not stressed, the pay people to be stressed for them.

id say 50/50

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Jamesblonde2 · 30/12/2025 12:07

I know why you have said this. Many times on here people say workers such as cleaners, call centre staff and the like work “just as hard” as those earning much more.

However, responsibility is a huge factor. For example the CEO could be responsible for 1000 people and them being able to pay their mortgage. And that responsibility is 24 hours, and not downing tools on holiday. And they’re not easily replaced like the cleaner etc.

Some people don’t like rich people (plenty on here) simply because they are rich. They contribute massively to their nations pockets. Let them buy and spend as much as they want I say, for every purchase they’re paying VAT.

People need to stop biting the hand which feeds them.

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:09

Jamesblonde2 · 30/12/2025 12:07

I know why you have said this. Many times on here people say workers such as cleaners, call centre staff and the like work “just as hard” as those earning much more.

However, responsibility is a huge factor. For example the CEO could be responsible for 1000 people and them being able to pay their mortgage. And that responsibility is 24 hours, and not downing tools on holiday. And they’re not easily replaced like the cleaner etc.

Some people don’t like rich people (plenty on here) simply because they are rich. They contribute massively to their nations pockets. Let them buy and spend as much as they want I say, for every purchase they’re paying VAT.

People need to stop biting the hand which feeds them.

and i hate to say it but after researching the system and capitalism and ceo wages etc i agree

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Kerrylass · 30/12/2025 12:13

Nothing is more stressful that being broke. Not knowing how you can pay the rent, bills, food etc.

LoveSandbanks · 30/12/2025 12:28

It’s been proven, in academic studies, that poverty is very stressful and takes up too
much “bandwith” in people’s brains. People stressed over poverty have poor decision making skills but when you give them more money and alleviate the “mental load” of poverty they make better decisions.

apparently the benefit system is a disincentive to work. If that were really the case, Elon musk, with more money than he could possibly spend in his lifetime would not work another day.

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:29

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 11:26

Yes its not as straight forward and yes there are many workers that you could argue do more, but when your guiding and running large businesses and dealing with various people etc,

Do you know any billionaires OP?

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:31

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:29

Do you know any billionaires OP?

unfortuanly no

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IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 12:31

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:09

and i hate to say it but after researching the system and capitalism and ceo wages etc i agree

And by this you mean ‘I did a bit of Googling’?

Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:31

Jamesblonde2 · 30/12/2025 12:07

I know why you have said this. Many times on here people say workers such as cleaners, call centre staff and the like work “just as hard” as those earning much more.

However, responsibility is a huge factor. For example the CEO could be responsible for 1000 people and them being able to pay their mortgage. And that responsibility is 24 hours, and not downing tools on holiday. And they’re not easily replaced like the cleaner etc.

Some people don’t like rich people (plenty on here) simply because they are rich. They contribute massively to their nations pockets. Let them buy and spend as much as they want I say, for every purchase they’re paying VAT.

People need to stop biting the hand which feeds them.

You also have to consider whether many billionaire CEos actually care about thousands of people. You are assuming they’re the same as you.

i know a few CEOs as I sit on boards. Most care very much about their staff.

they earn between £80-£360k per annum.

nothing close to a billionaire.

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:31

IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 12:31

And by this you mean ‘I did a bit of Googling’?

deep dive, on wikipedia and oxford university research publications etc

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Itsmetheflamingo · 30/12/2025 12:32

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:31

unfortuanly no

So how would you know how difficult their life is?

Eyeshadow · 30/12/2025 12:32

OP you’re forgetting that these people love this high pressure, dog eat dog world.

The majority of these people are narcissists which mean they think differently from those of us who aren’t like that.

There is a reason that most of these are men too - because they typically live a bachelor’s lifestyle, even if they are married with kids.

I work in a challenging role which many people would struggle with. It’s also crap money (highest possible salary £40k at management level) but I enjoy it.
However, it’s the rest of life that I struggle with - cooking, cleaning, life admin etc - if I didn’t have any of these then I wouldn’t find my work as stressful.

Its having to deal with parenting and life, I too of a challenging job which is the difficulty - billionaires don’t have these issues as their wives or cleaners take care of it.

IllAdvised · 30/12/2025 12:32

Jonnyenglish · 30/12/2025 12:31

deep dive, on wikipedia and oxford university research publications etc

Edited

Which ‘Oxford University research publications’?