Labour Voters. Honest question

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I’m not looking to start an argument on this subject. I know it’s a very heated and emotive topic.

I have strong views on political issues. What with algorithms and biased news organisations, it’s very easy to end up only seeing information that confirms what we already believe. Because of that, you don’t often hear the other side of the political divide.

I’m honestly curious whether those who voted Labour at the last General Election, for reference I did not, would vote the same way if there were an early GE in January, purely hypothetical of course.

If so, I’d really appreciate you sharing what you feel they’ve done right so far in their term. I’m asking as I genuinely want to understand different perspectives.

YABU - I would vote labour again
YANBU - I wouldn’t vote for them again (or ever have)

I voted Labour - unfortunately my MP is Zahra Sultana so not quite what I voted for. Depending on the candidate I would vote Labour again.

I find it hard to believe in Labour currently given the way they present themselves and the decisions they make. However I can’t honestly say I feel the other parties would do any better (likely they’d be much worse). Here are some issues that I feel were especially poorly handled:

• Bridget Philipson’s delaying tactic’s and refusal to lay the updated EHRC guidelines before Parliament.
• The greenlighting of solar farms on high grade farm land.
• Labour’s rejection of a significant number of buildings being Listed.
• Their proposed introduction of an Islamophobia definition.
• The farmers’ inheritance tax.
• The transition from EU farming subsidies to a sustainable model for UK farmers - lots scrapped.
• Their delays closing loopholes that make the UK attractive to illegal immigrants.
• Lowering of training standards and training time in trades in order to meet quotas, essentially impoverishing our trades in the long term.

There isn’t a single party that honestly and straightforwardly represents the issues I would be most likely to vote for (tackling climate change, protecting and improving the NHS, controlling immigration to prevent endless population growth, women’s rights, supporting farmers, protecting UK heritage), so it comes down to the question of which party is likely to do the least damage long term. Currently, despite my disappointment, it’s probably still Labour.

I much much prefer them to the Tories. The tone of things at work (non-departmental public body) was immediately more positive. I agree with a decent proportion of the changes labour have made. I don't think the Tories ever actually DID anything. Not for the last 5 years. They just sit about and gwarfing in PMQs. I wish labour would reform the whole system of government, it's just embarrassing. Locally, our entrenched Tory MP was ousted by Lib Dem and it's a breath of fresh air.

You were posting about it 😆

Genuine question - where did the 1,000 more GPs and 6,500 more teachers come from? Did we have this many qualified, jobless people before and now the new roles have opened they’ve all been filled? Or are there more open but unfilled roles?

These aren’t roles you magically fill out of nowhere so I always wonder how they can achieve this in 18 months,

Wow!

Let's take a look.

Digital I.D.

It isn't an I.D. we already have several perfectly good state I.D documents. What a Digital I.D does is link every aspect of your life to a database which can be interrogated at will. The prime mi inter has said that it will cost £85 pounds per transaction for anyone who refuses to share their Digital QR code. You clearly have been so blinded by freedom and autonomy that you can't see when the state are taking it away from you.

Pay per mile.

Do you drive?

If so, and you have a car made after Sept 2022, you will have been asked to accept terms and conditions of an Infotainment Syatem Update. Amongst the features you were forced accept is a "Driver Safety Score", or to give it it's proper title, a digital tracker. These are already capable of sending your vehicle to your manufacturers App. In 2028, they will be used to send your movements to the government. Do you know what data those systems contain? Approx 32 GB per hour of your personal data. Your phone records. Thry log all phones that enter the vehicle, all calls, texts from phones that connect to the vehicle. The KGB would have wet themselves at this level of surveillance.

You are OK with an employee of the state having the only say over you fate when charged with an offence?

By unreliable, I take it you mean Jurys don't convict enough people for your liking?

Cashless will render you destitute in the event of a power cut. Your babk account is already regulated to the point that you have to explain and even provide proof to your bank if you want to take more than 1k in cash out of your account. Imagine the abuses that will happen when your access to "money" can be stopped entirely by a the "flick of a switch".

Wake yp!

Not after their demonization of women standing up for our rights. The shitshow in not accepting a Supreme Court judgement, the expulsion of “gender critical “ women etc. No thanks.

6500 more teachers

What? No they haven't. They haven't claimed to either.

I would vote Labour again, as I did last time, not because I feel particularly inspired by them but because Reform would be far worse. I voted Labour in the last GE even though my kids are in private school and it has cost me money. I think they are better for the country than the Tories and certainly better than Reform. I would love to have a more exciting and optimistic alternative, but there is none. The day that Farage becomes PM will herald an extremely dark time for us all. Where I live, it will come down to Labour vs Reform, and so there is no choice really.

Most defendants, where given the choice, choose jury trials over a magistrates trial, so while it might be the right decision for justice (because decisions aren’t made based on how you look) - it’s not the choice most defendants would make (who overwhelming would prefer to give the decision to someone who might judge them on how they look).

Labour voter here & I would vote for them again, same reasons as above really. It'll take years to try & sort the shit show of the Torys. I'm so fed up with politics becoming a vote for personalities l such as Farage/Trump/Boris. For me good leadership is being honest, thoughtful & having integrity & quietly getting on with the job & accepting that difficult decisions have to be made.

Yes I would.
Partly because of my local constituency MP - she’s quite good, and Reform came second in the last election I believe so I think I would vote for pretty much anyone to keep those absolute incompetent arseholes out.

But party due to them being the ones I disagree with/dislike least, rather than any real sense of them winning me over etc.
I won’t vote Reform. Ever.
I don’t like the Lib Dems, in particular the local candidate last time (but would vote for them if the constituency was between them and Reform)
I don’t like the Tories (but as per Lib Dems, would vote for them)
I think Zack Polanski is truly just a complete idiot (but in the unlikely event of a Green/Reform constituency, I would pick him over Farage).

The electorate wants simple answers to complex, long standing, structural issues. We are a low productivity country living beyond its means. We have a press that panders to ignorance and prejudice and is largely inherently anti Labour. They have not made a good start and need to get a grip in the next year or they will lose even more support. As for who to vote for next time the alternatives are pretty unpalatable to me. Polanski and Farage are two sides of the same coin, eloquent chancers.

Yes.

I think they should be given time.

Plus agree with PP, what’s the alternative? They are more trustworthy than the Tories and Reform.

I voted for them and would again.

Briefly:
NHS waiting lists are falling.
Interest rates are falling.
Net migration is falling.
Workers rights have been improved.
In two minds about the two child cap being scrapped, but I don't think children should be punished for the sins of their parents.

I don't really care whether my nearest lamppost has an England flag on it or not, it's not a priority to me, so I wouldn't vote Reform.

The Tories don't actually have a better, more imaginative, or very different answer to a lot of the structural problems the country faces in my opinion. They mostly seem to be a Reform tribute act. With an add on of criticising things that they did or started to do themselves whilst in government.

I'd like to see some more support for small businesses, particularly pubs, and also a bit more radicalism and confidence in delivery. If they could project more of an air of competence and direction whilst doing it that would also be good.

More trustworthy? You really are having a laugh. The major reason for the Tories being labelled corrupt was the Labour campaign of lies.

That’s not a comment in support of Reform, by the way. They’re a bunch of shysters.

@MandingoAteMyBaby ‘Big improvements round here almost immediately.’

What are the immediate improvements you’ve seen where you live?

..this sums up Labour. Economically illiterate - and when running a country, that is a particularly terrible thing. But I understand that those in receipt of free cash won’t care about this, until their free cash stops.

The major reason for the Tories being labelled corrupt was the Labour campaign of lies

Now you're having a laugh. Contracts for their mates to make millions during Covid? Johnson and his dodgy Russian contacts, his parties, his putting some unknown young woman in the House of Lords? And that's the tip of the iceberg. They were labelled corrupt because they are corrupt, on a scale visible to Stevie Wonder. That's why they are polling at something like 5%

Johnson did the lying all himself

The poll doesn’t reflect the thread title, and I suspect, because the OP hasn’t come back, deliberately so.

Several of those points aren't true but regardless, nothing in that list goes any way to offsetting the grave damage Labour has already caused to this country. There is never any good news with the current government.

💯 agree with everything you’ve written.

I agree about Polanski and Farage. Bith chancers. However, Reforms support comes in areas which have a larger than average ( in Farages case double) the number of welfare and PIP claimants than the National average. Once Reform has to put actual policies out he will be in the same bind as Labour. Rich backers who want reduced wefare and a free matket and people who are anti immigration but also dependent on welfare so dont/ cannot work but vote Reform. Polanskis votes are mainly from the Further Left which will hold much better. Although the Mango Greens may not be happy as hes completely abandoned anything environmental in favour of building over the countryside, trans rights and Gaza . There is a distinct possibility that both of those parties will collapse under scrutiny come 2029 because party memberships dont win election ( as Jeremy Corbyn discovered)

I agree with this. Plus there’s been no accountability from the Tories. So no I don’t feel like I can trust them.