to think no one can define living as a woman

[funtimess]

if you are a biological man.

Or indeed define living as a man if they are a biological woman.

What is the definition, how do you define a person ‘living" as the opposite sex?

AIBU to think that nobody is going to be able to define this unless they resort to regressive stereotypes.

YABU - I can define this for you without using regressive stereotypes.
YANBU - You are right, you can’t define this without using regressive stereotypes.

It IS that deep.

Because those male people then demand and sometimes succeed in accessing female single sex provisions. This has the potential to cause harm to female people.

Plus it is a form of discrimination against other male people who don’t get access to those same provisions. It is one group of male people being able to access additional provisions where no other group gets additional provisions in this way.

Why? It seems like a good idea to live as a woman before doing anything irrevocable to their health.

If you are in the kitchen doing the washing up then you are a woman.

If you are in the bedroom wearing the rubber gloves then you are a bloke pretending to 'live as a woman'.

Hope that helps babes.

So a poster has claimed that posters are lying, yet this is the legal definition.

What claims by this poster should we consider accurate and based on fact?

But I’m talking about the live as a woman requirement to get the treatment.

I define being a woman as having a cracking pair of tits.

Seriously though I think the whole issue has gone bonkers and I note the biggest issues are from men wanting to be women. Fucking men can’t even stand that they aren’t just allowed to show up as a woman now. They are fucking pathetic.

Because they are not living as women. Why do female people have to accept that female language is used for a group of men?

It could be.

Perhaps the NHS should change their language around that requirement.

ETA: Sorry, it’s early where I live. The pronouns thing is another discussion - I was just responding to this thread which is about the live as a woman thing.

There is no such thing as living as a woman. What you are describing are men larping around with women's clothes and makeup

Yes. I know. I am pointing out the ramifications of exactly what you are referring to.

What bit didn’t you think applied to what you are referring to?

Or did you think that this ‘experience’ had no negative impacts on female people?

Surely they could just take a big pay cut at work for the same job (thought not)

Well, quite.

Or take on extra caring responsibilities? 🤔

I have already agreed with you on this.

But think about it, what would they change the language to that would be acceptable to the group of men who demand to be treated as if they are no longer male and are female?

Well, the ramifications are a whole other discussion.

The ramifications are directly part of this discussion on this very thread.

The NHS don't require people to have lived as the opposite sex before starting hormone treatment . The effects of large doses of testosterone on women are not entirely reversible.

Ironically, Joan is a boy's name in some parts of Europe

It would be a challenge to find language that everyone agreed on, for sure.

A woman is an adult human female. A male can no more 'live as a female' than a white person can live as an African American. Unless you're Rachel Dolezal.

Anyone here familiar with Rachel Dolezal? The snow white woman who 'identifies' as an African American woman who blacked her face, wears an afro wig and managed to infiltrate her way into getting a position with the NAACP?

If you believe in 'transgender', you must also by default and by definition believe in transracial. You either believe in both, or none at all. If you are transracialphobic or use 'anti transracial rhetoric' but ok with transgender, then you're a hypocrite.

And then there is trans age. The male who claims he identifies as a 6 year old girl. Congratulations. That is what championing transgender has led to.

Birth certs for adopted children are amended in what some would see as a similar way. I would not say they are falsified.

THere is no requirement for ANY phyiscal modification
surgery or drugs
to get a GRC in the UK

Falsification of documents such as passports, driving licences and birth certificates
should be a crime
not government policy

Apologies.

I don’t and have said that I have.

should be

I don’t and have not said that I have.

I don't see that as similar. They reflect complex situation.

In this case, sex markers on legal documents are being blatantly falsified, in a way that everyone knows is complete fiction.

There is a segment in this compilation below that shows men using the ‘I dress like a woman so I should be treated like a woman’ approach.

Maybe seeing it in action will be enlightening to some readers.