Husband is insistent on joining trail hunt tomorrow

[FairViewRosie25]

Not happy. I know they trail hunt but they still take dogs and have their fair share of the sabs.

The government have already done research on what the public think of hunting. Hugely anti and in similar numbers to those on this thread.

yougov.co.uk/society/articles/50958-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-hunting

In 2024 172 incidents of cubbing were reported to The League Against Cruel Sports.

Cub hunting has been illegal for over 20 years.

Information here about cubbing and links to trail hunting.https://www.league.org.uk/what-we-do/hunting/cub-hunting/

You are wrong they are called
’pinks’
but red in colour
also for @CruCru who was correct !

Trail hunting has had two decades to get its house in order, to banish those that he trying to use it as a smoke screen, and to clean up its reputation.

It decided not to, so tough luck it's going to be banned. It's 20 years too late to say we should be focusing on enforcement. Those in charge of the hunts should have been doing that already.

Scotland banned trail hunting in 2023 as it was a huge smokescreen for illegal fox hunting.

So yes, it clearly is a problem. I wholly support this proposal.

I went on a 60 mile journey today and I saw 2 dead foxes and a deer by the side of the road.

I’ve just looked up animals killed on the roads and the UK estimate is 70 million per year.

PPs are happy to hand wave away 24,000 farm animals and 64,000 dogs killed by pet dogs as ‘unavoidable accidents’ but if an otherwise lawful hunt inadvertently catches a fox that warrants a marriage break up.

Most of the foxes will be killed anyway, just by shooting not a (mostly) inadvertent hound kill.

The issue of 30 million non stun kills of animals is widely ignored for *reasons.

gawa.org.uk/shelter-news/world-animal-road-accident-awareness-day/

Are there any other groups that we hold entirely responsible for the actions of a few members and feel righteous about it?

That survey is about hunting animals though.

Trail hunting, the topic of this thread is not about hunting animals, hence the name. There are many false accusations and prejudices around this but the majority of trail hunts take care to operate lawfully. ,

Well it is, because it's being used as a smoke screen. You know that, we know that. Stop pretending we're all naive.

If it wasn't used as a smoke screen, where was a trail being set only seen in 1% of observed hunts?

If it wasn't used as a smoke screen, then why the resistance to things like clean boot hunting?

Also can you give us evidence please that The majority of trail hunts take care to operate lawfully?

And if that is the case, why do those opposing the ban say more needs to be done about enforcement? From what you're saying, there isn't a widespread problem with the law breaking to begin with...

Your figures seem to be way off. I think there is confusion in the use of the word hunt to refer both to a registered foxhound pack and their use and the activity of a hunt that takes place on a weekly basis during the season. There are only 200 packs registered throughout the UK and this report is referring to a registered pack, not each hunt event.

So the observers are following the majority of the packs registered/hunts presumably each week but have not found an issue to report every week.

When it comes to wildlife persecution, although some hunts were more prolific than others, 74 packs across England and Wales were reported to have chased or killed a fox. The figure for hare hunting packs such as Beagles and Bassets was very different due to far fewer of them receiving regular monitoring. Meanwhile, the three remaining registered staghound packs were all seen chasing and killing deer.
Of the 143 hunts observed by activists at some point during the season, and excluding meets where the only recorded incident was police presence, a total of 74 hunts were reported to have committed wildlife persecution and anti-social behaviour. That’s 51% of all hunts. If the presence of police is included, that figure shoots up to 141 – nearly every single hunt observed.

protectthewild.org.uk/fox-hunting/20-years-on-the-true-face-of-hunting-with-hounds-in-2025/

The low level of prosecutions and monitor reports. The onus here is on the accusers to provide evidence of their repeated blanket accusations of unlawful behaviour, which they haven’t.

You are basically accusing a whole group of people of lying with no evidence or often malicious reports from anti hunt people who display their prejudice for all to see while (from the typical views of the anti hunt people on here) having zero issue with vast numbers of other animals being killed cruelly for several different reasons.

Clean boot hunting uses different dogs so all existing foxhounds would need to be destroyed.

Can someone tell me what clean boot hunting is please?

Nobody said that they had zero issue with animals dying cruelly by other means. You made that up - and keep repeating it - as you don’t have any proper arguments in favour of trail hunting, or evidence. People have repeatedly asked you questions (eg why do so few trail hunts actually lay a trail) which you ignore and keep repeating your straw man / made up points.

And as for your last sentence - Fox hounds are routinely shot by hunters.

Packs and hunts are not the same
There are 12/15000 hunts a year

Very few hunts ( the activity of riding out with hounds ) are monitored
Those that are, are not monitored each time they ride out ( as you even say ‘at some point in the season’ )

Your so called figure of 61 over two years is woefully inaccurate and used to for your narrative of convincing yourself ‘nothings wrong with enjoying watching foxes slaughtered by dogs for sport’.

The maths is correct
The figure of 61 is utter nonsense

What about the 3000 foxhounds shot aswell !

Here’s another article

And me. He could be the best at everything else but it would kill everything I had for him. Gross.

You have no idea of people's views in relation to other animal cruelty matters, and are using whataboutery as a smoke screen. For the record, yes I'm against non-stun killing, no, I'm not required to have a stated position on every single issue before I'm allowed to comment on this one!

There's around 15,000 foxhounds in registered packs. They comprise around 0.1% of the British dog population. If these dogs are not suitable for clean boot hunting, then the most sensible thing to do would be to stop breeding from them, and attempt to find them homes. It's not many dogs in the grand scheme of things, and if the people are organising the hunts love the dogs so much so maybe they can get themselves a new pet.

Given many are shot when they become old anyway, It's not like the industry has the dogs interest as paramount anyway. Again, its being used as an excuse.

If there no was no evidence of widespread misuse of the current law, that animal rights charities wouldn't have had these concerns, would they?

Agree
Plus
those packs of foxhounds which we all saw on the TV 20years ago with crap about them all having to be shot
have had 20years to die of natural causes
Instead the hunt has continued to bread them
That’s on them and their cruel practice

The riders chase a human runner
Bloodhounds are used

Exactly. Stop breeding them, and either they can be used in clean boot hunting, or rehomed over a period of a few years.

Given that the fox hunting industry claims that most of their dogs are now rehomed rather than shot, it shouldn't be a problem. In reality, there's a lot of missing dogs with their data, Which sadly shows that many are not above shooting dogs when it's convenient to do so anyway.

Which is it? Are they mostly rehomed, in which case it shouldn't be a problem? Or are they mostly shot? In which case it's a bit late to have an attack of the moral vapours now.

Ah ok…is the runners trail laid or they actually running during the hunt?

Luckily we have drones now
So the hunt can’t hide anymore

Yes
A few human runners ( who chose to take part of course ) set off running
and a while later the dogs and riders set off after them

The runners run at the same time as the riders and dogs just with a bit of a head start

I don't think all problems will be solved by clean boot hunting, and some dogs may find something more interesting to chase, but this should be at a much reduced rate.

In theory, it's fun for the runners, fun for the horses, riders and dogs. No one dies. It might even encourage new people into the sport.

If that too is used as a smoke screen, then in time that will also be banned no doubt, but it gives hunting another (final!) chance to get its house in order.