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Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

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Horrace · 18/12/2025 10:11

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

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Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:46

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 22:35

So you believe that because you couldn’t correctly identify the sex of your male coworker that you and others should use female language for him? Why? Because he passed in your opinion ?

What would you do if he didn’t pass?

If he didn’t pass, I would still respect their pronouns.

AnSolas · 18/12/2025 22:48

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:43

OP hasn’t challenged the status quo. She has just been immature.

And any manager who engaged in direct sex discrimination against the OP for poorly expressing a PC on the employers cheapscate investor relations fluff is a financial liability to their employer.

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:49

AnSolas · 18/12/2025 22:48

And any manager who engaged in direct sex discrimination against the OP for poorly expressing a PC on the employers cheapscate investor relations fluff is a financial liability to their employer.

Ha ha in your dreams maybe.

ThatCyanCat · 18/12/2025 22:53

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:46

If he didn’t pass, I would still respect their pronouns.

You just called him "he" and "their".

It's ok. I know someone who says her sibling isn't a woman even though she clearly is (it's really laboured how she always uses the word "sibling") and she slips up all the time by accidentally calling her "she" and "her" instead of "they". Why wouldn't she? I've met her, she's clearly a woman and everyone who meets her knows it, just like you know your coworker is a man.

RessicaJabbit · 18/12/2025 22:55

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:46

If he didn’t pass, I would still respect their pronouns.

Don't you mean; if she didn't pass, you'd respect her pronouns...?

LITERAL VIOLENCE.

AnSolas · 18/12/2025 23:00

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:49

Ha ha in your dreams maybe.

Why in my dreams?

The manager is choosing to carry out a act which opens up the company to a financial loss.

Funny how pronoun policys which dont benefit female employees must be complied with/ respected/enforced but sexism is a joke.

Same old same old every single time.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 23:00

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 22:06

Telling me which pronouns to use when referring to you is coercion. I cannot tell from an email whether ‘Isla Bryson’ is male or female. If Isla puts she/her under the signature, that is an indication that I am expected to refer to Isla as a woman, even in Isla’s absence, regardless of Isla’s actual sex, regardless of which sex I recognise Isla to be. The not-so-veiled threats of what might happen to my career if I don’t submit to the coercion reinforce it.

I've never worked anywhere where it was mandatory. However, I've worked somewhere where it was mandatory to hold the ramp when going up and down the stairs (and where people would call you up on not doing it). Did I feel coerced? No. Did I have a private belief that it went a bit far? Yes. Did I voice this belief, mock the policy or the colleagues following it every time? No. Why? Because it was work.

ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 23:10

Muffsies · 18/12/2025 20:24

Some people have gender neutral names and titles. I work in an academic institution, loads of people are Dr X, or their first name is not obviously gendered, or they have a foreign names that they can't readonably expect others to guess is male/female. Many of the academics from overseas appreciate thay everyone puts pronouns on their emails and profiles. I think it's prefectly reasonable to prompt someone to use the correct pronoun, and expect them to respect that. I wouldn't want to constantly be misgendered and have to correct people, would you?

I don't know why these companies/institutions don't just have male/female listed, or the male or female symbol. That's all that's really needed.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 18/12/2025 23:12

ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 23:10

I don't know why these companies/institutions don't just have male/female listed, or the male or female symbol. That's all that's really needed.

Sure, that's all that's needed if you're happy for the consequent negative impact on women's careers of having attention drawn to their sex.

itsthetea · 18/12/2025 23:16

The only people who NEED to know what sex someone is are sexist because sex doesn’t matter in most ? All? Work environments it’s not useful - it’s enabling assumptions to be made

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 23:25

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 23:00

I've never worked anywhere where it was mandatory. However, I've worked somewhere where it was mandatory to hold the ramp when going up and down the stairs (and where people would call you up on not doing it). Did I feel coerced? No. Did I have a private belief that it went a bit far? Yes. Did I voice this belief, mock the policy or the colleagues following it every time? No. Why? Because it was work.

Do you mean hold the stair handrail?

In which case, it’s about ingraining safety behaviours and following rules put in place to protect the workforce, which ignoring in an office situation might lead to a minor injury (or worse) but ignoring in an industrial situation could be catastrophic.

ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 23:26

OchonAgusOchonOh · 18/12/2025 23:12

Sure, that's all that's needed if you're happy for the consequent negative impact on women's careers of having attention drawn to their sex.

What's the difference between that and 'she/her' next to her name/profile? It leads to the same thing.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 23:28

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 23:25

Do you mean hold the stair handrail?

In which case, it’s about ingraining safety behaviours and following rules put in place to protect the workforce, which ignoring in an office situation might lead to a minor injury (or worse) but ignoring in an industrial situation could be catastrophic.

Yes, stair handrail in a non-industrial setting!

OchonAgusOchonOh · 18/12/2025 23:29

ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 23:26

What's the difference between that and 'she/her' next to her name/profile? It leads to the same thing.

There is no difference. Both would be equally detrimental to women. I don't include pronouns in my signature and I would challenge my employer if they tried to included anything that specified my sex by default.

whatawalley · 18/12/2025 23:35

Change it to "she / we". It literally takes the piss.

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 23:39

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 23:28

Yes, stair handrail in a non-industrial setting!

It’s about embedding safety culture. Slips, trips and falls are common hazards, mitigate the risk by using the handrail.

Once you get people into that mindset, it makes H&S management much easier, even in an office setting.

Barney16 · 18/12/2025 23:50

I think that's funny. But then again I do tend to find lots of things funny particularly in the workplace which often resembles a sort of dystopian universe. Keep thinking I may wake up in 1990, realise it was all a bad dream and make better career choices.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 23:50

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 23:39

It’s about embedding safety culture. Slips, trips and falls are common hazards, mitigate the risk by using the handrail.

Once you get people into that mindset, it makes H&S management much easier, even in an office setting.

That was the approach, but it felt quite new and, I must admit, over the top at the beginning. I soon got used to it, though!

TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2025 00:47

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:45

I don’t think humans can change sex. I think some humans can feel like they are a different sex.

I feel like I'm Napoleon and I want everyone to address me as Emperor.

Are going to respect my wishes?

Helleofabore · 19/12/2025 03:09

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:46

If he didn’t pass, I would still respect their pronouns.

That was quite the slip.

But it comes down to your personal choice doesn’t it. You choose to change your language to start meaning the opposite to the word’s established meaning to suit someone else’s philosophical belief. Particularly one that has no foundation in material reality.

You choose to obscure meaning and accuracy. This has proven harmful at individual level for women and girls and collectively.

Others should have the choice not to. It is not respectful to emotionally manipulate or to use policy to coerce people to do this.

NoisyViewer · 19/12/2025 03:18

Are you required to put your pronouns there? If so id ask them to remove that & don’t ask for participation & then not like it when you do.

NoisyViewer · 19/12/2025 03:25

MissDoubleU · 18/12/2025 13:59

I wonder what would happen if your colleagues now used he/him pronouns with you as you haven’t clarified and have made no preference known. Would it upset you/would you be offended at being misgendered?

So? You can’t police people’s thoughts. You may go by pronouns that contradict who you actually are but b/c people use them it doesn’t mean they see you as you wish to be seen. They’d be something going off in their head & all it does is highlight who you ain’t to them. Making people go through mental gymnastics everytime they talk to or about you is extremely selfish & expecting people to change the definition of words is completely self entitled.

Helleofabore · 19/12/2025 03:36

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:44

It doesn’t hurt me to call them by their pronouns they wish to be called by.

If you are a female person, it causes harm at a collective level.

This has been evidenced by activists since at least the mid 2010s if not earlier saying that because people use female pronouns and call them a woman, policy should treat them as a female. That it is cruel not to. Hence we ended up with male people in female single sex provisions including sport.

There are other harms as well that also involve safeguarding.

Helleofabore · 19/12/2025 03:49

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 22:37

Hello, apologies, I'm going to try and answer, though I'm conscious we may be focusing on different issues here and I may have missed some of the posts.
Your questions:

  • What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?
> As far as I can see, the OP manager's request centered around removing the OP's statement "Take a Wild Guess" from Team's, and not around OP using/not using someone's preferred pronouns. OP has said her statement was meant to antagonise, ridicule and mock those who indicate pronouns in Teams. And it seems it was perceived in that way by one/several colleagues.
  • What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?
> OP hasn't mentioned a mandatory workplace policy, or the fact that she is now required to use someone's preferred pronouns. She's also confirmed that filling out the pronouns section in Teams is voluntary and can be left blank. I've worked in many different private companies in the UK (I'm a contractor). Every time I join, I'm required to take all the mandatory training a permanent employee would take in a year. This isn't a choice, I would likely get sacked on a week's notice if I didn't. I've never seen a policy whereby using someone's preferred pronouns is mandatory. My experience is similar to OP's in that stating one's pronouns in the inventory, emails or Teams and such like has always been left at people's discretion. In practice, I've never come across a colleague going by gender-neutral pronouns. If I did, I would try and use them, not because I have to or because I'm in thrall to one ideology or the other, but as a mark of respect within the workplace and to foster collaboration. If I made a mistake and forgot, I would apologise, just as I would if I mispronounced a colleague's name. I have a hard to pronounce name myself, but I couldn't care less how colleagues pronounce it. In a job a long time ago, a colleague kept calling me by an entirely different name for a year. It didn't bother me in the slightest. When it comes to others, though, I assume that they care and try my best.

Thanks. But you didn’t answer the questions I asked. You tried to apply them to the OP but they were specifically about respect, as I have already said. However, you seemed far too interested in telling me I was making things up etc.

You have mentioned it again in your answer here. (“as a mark of respect within the workplace”)

The questions were

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

I am fully cognisant of standard corporate practices thanks. I asked specific questions in relation to ‘respect’ and how respectful it is for any person to demand language change to specifically suit their personal choices and their philosophical belief.

CommonAF · 19/12/2025 05:51

“Please use whatever pronouns you’re most comfortable with especially if English is not your first language “

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