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To ask which historical crossroads you wonder about?

423 replies

HoneyParsnipSoup · 13/12/2025 19:33

For me it’s wondering what would’ve happened had Catherine of Aragon had a son and Henry hadn’t divorced her. Country may well be totally different.

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suburburban · 14/12/2025 14:48

KnickerlessParsons · 14/12/2025 13:31

Or if Mary & Joseph had been able to have their own children.

They may have done afterwards

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:48

Whatbloodysummer · 14/12/2025 14:27

What if the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs had passed by earth harmlessly?

They’d apparently not have got much smarter. Might be why we’re seemingly alone in the universe. A fluke.

Maddyisqueen · 14/12/2025 15:02

Muffsies · 14/12/2025 13:49

The puritans were utter bastards, like all religious extremists. They were responsible for the witch trials and imprisonement for blasphemy - you could even be put on trial for thoughts or having moles on your body. They held curfew on sunday, they banned sports, singing, games and parties. Gender roles were extreme, women should be quiet for example.. the list goes on and on.

They were utterly savage to the catholic Irish, just so awful feeling is still bad to this day.

I'm so grateful that the British rejected it in the end and went back to Charles II. I think that they were in power for just over 30 years, but the damage has lasted centuries.

I didn’t realise the pilgrims were like that though

i do know about the puritans here - I thought pilgrims were tolerant religiously and that’s why they went?

everdine · 14/12/2025 15:03

suburburban · 14/12/2025 14:48

They may have done afterwards

I think they did according to the Bible!

HumbleCaptain · 14/12/2025 15:03

Northbynorthbest · 14/12/2025 12:15

This argument treats Irish independence as a loss to Britain rather than a democratic correction to an unequal union. The question should not be how Britain might have been improved by Ireland’s continued inclusion, but whether Ireland had the right to self-determination after centuries of enforced British rule. From that perspective, Irish independence was a necessary act of political maturity and self determination.

I was not considering the reasons, I do not have the knowledge, just musing that Ireland would have made the United Kingdom stronger not just England. There would have been a strong and fairly united English speaking block attached to and part of Europe. IMO Scotland would have benefitted from having an ally of similar size and economic power. Westminster would have treated all better, more equally.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 14/12/2025 15:09

If Charles and Di had been unable to conceive, Andrew would be next in line.

suburburban · 14/12/2025 15:10

everdine · 14/12/2025 15:03

I think they did according to the Bible!

Yes that was my understanding

TheTortiePuffinNeedsHerBreakfast · 14/12/2025 15:13

I wonder what it might be like if Alan Turing lived now instead of the 1940s. What advancements might he have made if he'd been free to be who he was?

FloralHighNotes · 14/12/2025 15:16

If Richard III had defeated Henry Tudor at Bosworth Field, married again and had sons.

No Tudor Dynasty.
No headless queens.
No break with Rome.

Brahumbug · 14/12/2025 15:31

Ladymuckypuddle · 13/12/2025 21:28

What if the Scots won the battle of Culloden ?

Culloden was not a battle between Scots and English. It was the British government versus a Stuart insurrection. There were more Scots on the government side than the Stuart's. Not even all Highlanders supported the Stuarts, the Duke of Argyll was firmly on the government side.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 14/12/2025 16:34

I don’t see much relevance in which UK country battled with who and won what.

Ultimately in every single country on Earth, power radiates from the capital, and the proximity of London to Europe and access via the Thames was always going to make this location the most likely candidate.

It’s not that the English are inherently genetically power hungry it’s that they just so happened to live near to what was always going to be the capital of the country. So I think it would’ve changed things less than people think.

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StrawberrySquash · 14/12/2025 16:39

If the reaction to 9/11 - Iraq war etc - had been less full on. Who knows, there were other, negative forces happening anyway, but I think things would have been better.

Burntt · 14/12/2025 16:48

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 14/12/2025 15:09

If Charles and Di had been unable to conceive, Andrew would be next in line.

Oh god what a horrible thought

everdine · 14/12/2025 16:49

The advancement of medicine. People being saved even when their quality of life is not good. (I know it’s not for me to judge if life is worth living if you end up needing 24/7 care for the rest of your life.)

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 16:50

StrawberrySquash · 14/12/2025 16:39

If the reaction to 9/11 - Iraq war etc - had been less full on. Who knows, there were other, negative forces happening anyway, but I think things would have been better.

I think it could have been much worse, possibly triggering WW3 re: 9/11. If we’d been in the iphone age - imagine the hideous videos & photos & all the terrible suffering played out on a world stage.

38thparallel · 14/12/2025 17:36

If American and British - such as Burgess & Maclean - KGB informers hadn’t leaked information to Stalin about Truman not being prepared to use nuclear force then Stalin wouldn’t have agreed to Kim Il Sung invading the south.
Thus avoiding the huge military losses on both sides and misery and starvation for civilians.

Laura95167 · 14/12/2025 17:52

HoneyParsnipSoup · 13/12/2025 19:33

For me it’s wondering what would’ve happened had Catherine of Aragon had a son and Henry hadn’t divorced her. Country may well be totally different.

That.

If Anne Boleyn had a son

If the Princes in the tower lived or if we found out what happened to them

Theres probably loads

Diblin93 · 14/12/2025 17:57

crumpet · 13/12/2025 19:50

If Hitler had got into art school

I’ve thought about this too

Weald56 · 14/12/2025 18:09

HoneyParsnipSoup · 13/12/2025 22:41

I don’t think it does. The Russians were an ally after all.

Well, they were Hitler's ally in 1939-41, and fought against Finland! They only joined us after Hitler invaded the USSR in 1941. And as soon as the war ended they became our enemies again...

ednaclouda · 14/12/2025 18:36

bryceQ · 13/12/2025 21:20

my what ifs….

if the Vikings decided to settle en masse in America

if Henry V hadn’t died so young and had lived long enough to be king of France (was literally weeks!)

if Catherine of Valois hadn’t married her servant Owen Tudor

if it hadn’t been windy during the Spanish Armada

if US hadn’t won war of independence

I've got to look so many of these up
windy for the Spanish Armada?//

ednaclouda · 14/12/2025 18:38

FloralHighNotes · 14/12/2025 15:16

If Richard III had defeated Henry Tudor at Bosworth Field, married again and had sons.

No Tudor Dynasty.
No headless queens.
No break with Rome.

Wow I love history

jazzflute · 14/12/2025 18:46

Maddyisqueen · 14/12/2025 15:02

I didn’t realise the pilgrims were like that though

i do know about the puritans here - I thought pilgrims were tolerant religiously and that’s why they went?

They had the same beliefs as the puritans - just different views as to whether they could remain within the english church and purify it from within or whether a completely separate church needed to be set up. Pilgrims thought a separate church needed to be set up and that's why they ended up leaving, from what I understand.

Qwerty098 · 14/12/2025 18:49

HoneyParsnipSoup · 14/12/2025 07:03

Yes I knew independence had been achieved in I think 1921(?) for what is now the Republic. I meant more that joining the Allies would’ve I think dissipated many old grudges and after such a contribution it would’ve been impossible for the British government to continue to treat Ireland with the same disdain and suspicion.

That said it would’ve killed far more Irish than the Troubles, Ireland would’ve been levelled in the aerial bombing campaign as a major shipbuilder, and it would’ve altered Ireland’s relationship with the rest of the world in a way that meant its current reputation as neutral and benign would’ve been impossible. And a second (milder) famine would almost certainly have happened, at the very least Ireland would have undergone rationing like the UK.

We’ll never know but it’s interesting to think about!

Ireland had rationing during the war.

What would Ireland have been like if the famine never happened?

HillBetty · 14/12/2025 18:53

Sorry not read all posts.... but inspired by the 1970s politics ones...

What if we had established a sovereign wealth fund after oil discovered in North Sea

BobbySox71 · 14/12/2025 18:53

If the potato famine didn’t happen in Ireland would today’s population be over 8 million and a lot less Irish Americans

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