To wonder if the Doctors strike will still go ahead next week?

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Does anyone know when it will be decided if the strike will be called off because of the flu next week?

What do you think about it?

You are obviously not a doctor. Do a nightshift with a doctor and then come back.

Totally agree. Some of the most unpleasant posts are from someone in an admin role that has absolutely no idea as they are on the outside looking in with no weight of responsibility.

Fy1's might carry the crash bleep, but they are not allowed to work unsupervised. Despite their heroic stories they are still being trained and their consultants are ultimately responsible.

Having a junior dr currently on strike in my family, I 200% support the strike. I ask not to be told what it’s like as it makes me so scared to ever need to be hospitalised!!

Bus driver mistakes can lead to crashes and death as well?

If we want a NHS where the staff are paid better, you need more insurance involvement and private forces

Are you a doctor? Thought not.

Sorry your shild is scaremongering - so many people get treated expertly in th enhs and have fantastic care but we only ever remember the bad not the good.

Is this for me? You are very naive if you think you are safe in an nhs hospital these days.

And they start on £40k+ usually?

I have not disclosed my profession. I can guarantee I am more informed than you are.

Unlikely given all the untruths you peddle.

Obviously you have absolutely no experience of NHS hospitals.

Exemplary academic records? A sense of vocation? Are you trying to be funny?

Thirty years ago that was the case, not now. Medical schools take people with little regard for academic attainment. There is an industry set up to bypass it by gaming the UCAT, and a few minutes on past and present Mumsnet threads for medicine admission shows how popular this is with over invested parents. If at first you don't succeed then there's the "biomedical" degree and graduate medical school route. Anyone in the top quartile for academic attainment can get into a medical school somewhere in the UK if they are persistent and approach it the right way.

As for highly experienced selection panels of consultants and "academic professors", that's just as wrong. Universities latched onto DEI ideology long before it became mainstream, and they write the scripts that interviewers then follow. A few medical schools still prioritise academic merit but most don't.

We are quite obviously not selecting prospective doctors in a sensible way when most decide before they have even finished medical school that they don't really want to work for the NHS. http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjopen-2023-075598

Part of the problem is that it is not in the interests of either secondary schools or medical schools or the government, to give children the information that they need to make an informed decision before it is too late and they develop a "passion" for medicine. We could start by pointing out to them that there will not be employment at a senior level in the NHS for 80% of them, that entry to medicine may not be selective but progression is selective, and if they don't judge themselves to be in roughly the top 5% of the population academically and they can't get into a medical school with a science-heavy curriculum they should probably choose something else.

It is evident that there is a pack of trolls posting in bad faith here . Is interesting to speculate their motivation ? Discrediting doctors & preventing their message being understood by the public has always been part of the process of preparing the NHS for privatisation at point of delivery …

Wouldn’t privatisation be a good thing? I lived in Austria for a bit, where healthcare was provided if you paid in monthly. It was an excellent service, far better than here. Why can’t we have that? What we have isn’t failing, it has failed.

You are absolutely right. More will join the thread soon possibly with different usernames.

There was the same on the Resident Doctor unemployment threads too. Their agenda was barely hidden as they were talking down UK medical school graduates and UK specialty training.

It has been deliberately failed over many years . Parcelled off & privatised behind the scenes . An example : David Cameron oversaw the selling off of our blood donor’s plasma , given by volunteers to an American company , Bain Capitol . It was the sold on to a Chinese company . The NHS have to buy our plasma back to use .
If we were to get a privatised scheme like those employed across Europe , at this point , that might be best . However we aren’t getting that . We are being lined up to be incorporated into American healthcare , which is hugely expensive & had very poor outcomes

You tell someone in the NHS that they either explode or rant about the USA.

As for highly experienced selection panels of consultants and "academic professors", that's just as wrong. Universities latched onto DEI ideology long before it became mainstream, and they write the scripts that interviewers then follow. A few medical schools still prioritise academic merit but most don't.

I am a hospital consultant of many years and was interviewing at a medical school last week. Can I ask what you mean about the script and DEI?

I think the strikes are a disgrace, who do they think they are! Selfish entitled pricks

you have no idea what you are talking about.

They are taking a great deal of trouble to post total nonsense . They seem to be working as a team to obfuscate readers . I can only assume they’ve been sent here for that purpose. They aren’t arguing in good faith .

They’ve latched onto promoting the clearly ridiculous idea that medical schools are suddenly selecting the ‘wrong ‘ sort of young people . Either ‘under qualified or ‘over qualified ‘ .
Further some disingenuous posters assert doctors are ‘ soft and spoilt ‘ & unsuited to the rigours of NHS work whilst others argue that doctors ‘rarely ‘ make life or death decisions !
This is clear troll behaviour designed to confuse genuine readers of the thread .
I’ve tried all my working life to let people know how the NHS model which once worked so well has been slowly destroyed by those profiting from its destruction. Nothing to do with too many immigrants or elderly people .
If you are a genuine reader look up the 2012 Health & Social Care Act . This removed the duty of care of the government for the people & allowed all the private companies to take over & profit from all the essential services that made the NHS ‘work ‘ . Our taxes going to shareholders. If Reform get in everyone ( who can ) will be paying for the same poor service they receive now at the point of need .
£1000 for an ambulance ride to hospital …

Your post is absolutely spot on.

The posts from this group on the other threads was always criticisms of UK medical education, UK medical graduates and UK Specialty Training. They seemed to appear together and often in what looked like a shift pattern.

There were suspicions raised on these threads at the time as they obviously have an agenda that is served by undermining peoples confidence in UK medical student selection and education and portraying UK medical graduates as deficient in some way.

Oooohhh. Descended into conspiracy. Evil companies. Selling off to leave us with a US healthcare system. It’s not a US healthcare system or nothing. There are other options.

You criticise things that other people post, yet your own posts bang on ad nauseam about how wonderful junior doctors are, based only on your experience of your own offspring's very limited success.
You consistently disbelieve anyone who says they are a doctor, and imply all sorts of wild conspiracies when anyone dares to disagree with you. Don't you understand how AIBU works?
Anyone with any sense can see that there are enormous problems with medical education and with many of the young people who hope to become doctors.
Try not blindly believing everything that the BMA and the irresponsible strikers say.