To wonder if the Doctors strike will still go ahead next week?

[Netcurtainnelly]

Does anyone know when it will be decided if the strike will be called off because of the flu next week?

What do you think about it?

I doubt they care. They are so fed up.

“You are not a doctor and have no idea of what they have to put up with without Streeting's disgusting behaviour. They don't trust him and the general public do not appreciate them.”

What vast generalisations? Who is “they’? Most doctors I know and I know a lot have a reasonable amount of suspicion for both the NHS and the BMA. And most people value their own doctor.
This political fight costing actual lives is what most people are against!

How irresponsible is the government that allowed 63% of applicants to UK Specialty Training to be International Medical Graduates leading to UK Medical Graduate unemployment. These doctors have 100k of debt and cost the taxpayers 250k to train. Meanwhile the NHS is on its knees.

Purple can you please stop giving fals information or twisting stats to feed your cause. 59% of training posts went to UK graduates so you saying that 63% of applicants were IMGS implies they took most of the jobs - when they did not.

There is zero evidence that there are 1000s of doctors unemployed in the country. They may not be in the training post that you consider or they consider is the only job of worth but they are employed learning training and providing service,

2008 pay levels - they have chosen an index which makes it look worse and if they use the other indcies whihc most other groups use then it would be about 5%.

Applying the BMAs logic the nurses need a 45% pay increase, consultants 35% where does it stop.

each 1% costs 571 million pounds just on resident doctors

How do you know Araminta is nto a doctor?

I’m not sure Labour would do this. But maybe they would idk

In our small snapshot of known medics. All graduates got training posts, those that didn't have been doing locum, highly lucrative. Of those who got training posts, some have already decamped to other training posts.

Those that are striking have booked holidays this week and are off to Europe for a few days.

As for being underpaid..... Their standard of living would suggest not.

This really is a fairytale.

Not really 85% of ours in august 2025 had jobs to go to - the reminder were leaving medicine, going travelling, maternity leave, paternity leave.

WE checked to see if we needed to help more because fo the rhetroic.

}I thnk the difference is Purple you and the residents consider themselves to be unemployedif they are not in the training programme of their choice in the location of their choice .

The rest of the world considers a job is a job and youare not unemplyed

"2008 pay restoration" is another egregious attempt to mislead the credulous.

This date probably wasn't randomly chosen by the BMA as a comparator. The EWTD was implemented the following year. So, in 2008 juniors worked longer hours than they do now, and by every metric deserved to be paid more.

The striking juniors have been allowed far too much latitude with their propaganda.

It is beyond annoying.

I doubt many of these doctors hospital colleagues, some of which will be covering their duties, could afford to strike for 5 days. That in itself tells you a lot about them.

Exactly! Doctors are so well paid compared to other, equally essential health care professionals - especially nurses. This just comes across as greedy - they want to main the differential so they stay rich & everyone else caring for patients is much poorer than them. Time to move on.

And why are they the only public sector workers who deserve pay restoration. Lost any sympathy I might have had

Their unions should address that. BMA represents doctors.

It’s a pay rise

It really isn't.

As I mentioned previously the government are wasting billions of pounds deliberately replacing doctors /GP:s with a lesser skilled workforce and all paid much more than a doctor.This is also why there are a lack of training places .
Failed replacement 1. 10,000 plus Physician assistants who were placed in hospitals /GP practices as direct replacements fully funded by the government .Please note they were originally called Physician Associates and patients thought they were seeing a Doctor /GP
After a lot of concerns raised and patient deaths Wes streeting agreed a review -the Leng review which said that this group are not qualified Doctors/GP's and should not be diagnosing patients .This group are paid a starting hourly rate of 28.00 compared to a doctors starting hourly rate of 19.00
.Wes has still not acted on this review and this very expensive workforce remain in Doctor and GP posts ..
Wes is also actively reducing Doctors jobs and replacing the roles with advanced clinical /trainee clinical practitioners from a variety of backgrounds ranging from occupational therapy to nursing .They also get fully funded masters courses and are paid far more than doctors .This is what I'm angry about -this government doesn't want us seeing a doctors/Gp and is happy to risk patient safety .The government does have the money to improve doctors pay and expand places but prefers to fund their replacements instead .The workforce plan is aiming to have 39,000 advanced clinical practitioners!

Our consultants had been supportive of resident doctors previously, they are seemingly not rid time. A divide is coming and the 2008 nonsense which suggests everyone in the uk needs a pay rise is unrealistic.

It is shocking. What is the point of PAs? Cannot prescribe or order radiology and "should" discuss patients with doctors who then take the responsibility.

Dh is a consultant and still supporting them.

His support will be appreciated. There is an anti resident doctor vibe on here at the moment.

I'm not anti resident doctors, I'm anti this strike action at this time.

They are often older than our graduates, so have be more experience and qualifications (from their home country). It’s a points based application, my dc had 15 points last year having completed her foundation training , 16 was needed for an interview. So she has gone to Australia to work for a year, sat her uk based MSRA exam whilst there and gained an extra point. But this year you need 17 points for an interview , so she has no job to come back to. Who knows what she will do now. She doesn’t know anyone in her social circle ( most went to Oz too ) who has an interview for a training position for next year. This has been happening since 2019, but getting worse each year .

Okay. That’s not the feeling in my trust.

I don’t disagree that the unions that represent other public sector workers should address the issue for their members, but sorry, Drs just come over as if they and they alone have this right to pay restoration and due to the way the NHS is setup with regards to pay, it’s irrelevant if for example, nurses reject a pay award then everyone else accepts it as it’s then just imposed, believe it or not, Drs do not run the NHS alone

It is criminal that the points based system is favouring International Medical Graduates.

Did you see the fairytale post from HostaCosta?