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Feel so much guilt about wrap around

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Violettt2 · 08/12/2025 16:56

DD goes to breakfast and after school clubs. She has been increasingly moaning about this.

Is it normal to feel a lot of guilt about her having to attend these? I never used to as a kid and to be honest would have hated it too, being on top of the school day.

I am starting to wonder whether I’m wrong to have put working full time above being there for DD after school as one of my parents always was for me. I’m feeling like life’s too short to prioritise a company who would happily drop and forget about me if the need arose.

I’m not sure what I’m looking to get out of this, maybe to feel I’m not the only one in this position.

OP posts:
SJM1988 · 09/12/2025 13:08

I'd be asking a few questions:

  1. Do you need to work full time financially?
  2. Would you work let you drop hours?
  3. Could you comprising on breakfast club or after school club?
  4. Do you want to drop time at work (some mums don't as they have a good career and that is also fine!)

We have a mix of everything in DS year at school. Some parents work full time, some work part time (anything from 16 to 30 hours), some are SAHPs. There are people who use no wrap around care, just breakfast club, just after school club and then both breakfast and after school club. There is always someone moaning about going or not going to wrap around care. Depends on the week and how long the term is.

My compromise was to drop a few hours (to 30 hours), use breakfast club and pick up at the end of the school day. Financially it made no difference in my 'left over' money between part time and full time when you took into account extra salary against extra fees. Work were happy to let me drop a few hours a week (I work every day just finish at 2.30pm). Finally it means DS get some 'fun' time with his friends in the morning which he wanted either before or after school.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 09/12/2025 13:26

Anonna123 · 09/12/2025 13:06

Do you think? I tend to think that children get one childhood and they will remember being left somewhere after school every day that they didn't like Vs potentially getting help with theoretical future children.

OP if you don't have to work full time, I'd absolutely change your hours. I went freelance after having kids and I haven't ever regretted it, but I realise I'm in a privileged position. The only thing I've ever regretted is putting my kids in nursery when they were babies so I could go to my full time job, which I ended up losing anyway. They were sad, I felt guilty, my job didn't care. That I regret hugely.

I m not 100pc sure but where we live if, it will likely mean the difference between living in a nice area or a high crime area, or buying 5-10 years earlier. I think us both working will have a huge impact on their lives when they are older.

I asked them both yesterday when I responded on this thread, if they'd rather go into wrap and holidays, days out, eating out etc, or if they'd rather cut back and see me more. 10 year old (who is an introvert that has never actively enjoyed wrap around) said they would definitely choose wrap around and holidays, which surprised me. The 7 year old said they couldn't decide. Either way I don't think they're damaged, or feel like they've been 'raised by the state', or they've got a different bond to what they would have had if we'd been around more (although to be fair as we have progressed in our careers we've had more flexibility so it's been a while since they were in breakfast and after school every single day, maybe their answers would have been different if this were the case).

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 09/12/2025 16:31

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 08/12/2025 20:51

Sometimes they can be, yes. The corporate world is increasingly female-led these days.

Not everyone works in a corporate job.

Thickasabrick89 · 09/12/2025 16:46

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 08/12/2025 20:37

Men are the providers. That's their purpose in life; to provide, to protect.

Any other line of thought is in the direction of replacing the provider with the government.

Wtf is this.

What are you thoughts on SAHDs

Salvagehunter · 09/12/2025 22:39

I voted yabu as a reception teacher regularly seeing children crying because they don’t want to go to after school club. If you can possibly avoid it please do

OneGreySeal · 09/12/2025 22:43

Op I took a career break from a very high earning role, so kids didn’t have to go nursery and wrap around. Don’t regret it. Your DH needs to be in board and you need to work as a team. Childhood is very, very brief and it’s not worth them being stuck in the system without quality of life. So if you can do it.

OneGreySeal · 09/12/2025 22:47

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 09/12/2025 13:26

I m not 100pc sure but where we live if, it will likely mean the difference between living in a nice area or a high crime area, or buying 5-10 years earlier. I think us both working will have a huge impact on their lives when they are older.

I asked them both yesterday when I responded on this thread, if they'd rather go into wrap and holidays, days out, eating out etc, or if they'd rather cut back and see me more. 10 year old (who is an introvert that has never actively enjoyed wrap around) said they would definitely choose wrap around and holidays, which surprised me. The 7 year old said they couldn't decide. Either way I don't think they're damaged, or feel like they've been 'raised by the state', or they've got a different bond to what they would have had if we'd been around more (although to be fair as we have progressed in our careers we've had more flexibility so it's been a while since they were in breakfast and after school every single day, maybe their answers would have been different if this were the case).

Of course they’re going to pick more holidays, they’re kids. The point is they shouldn’t be stuck in wrap around to begin with. Quality family time is key to children’s emotional development and emotional intelligence.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 07:33

Salvagehunter · 09/12/2025 22:39

I voted yabu as a reception teacher regularly seeing children crying because they don’t want to go to after school club. If you can possibly avoid it please do

Whereas at our school there’s a waiting list of kids who want a place even though it’s not needed because it’s so much fun and the kids love it.

As with all childcare and clubs it’s the quality that matters.

Dozer · 10/12/2025 07:46

‘Do you need to work full time?’ People don’t say that to fathers. Working PT has perks but also drawbacks, not least discrimination and worse prospects for promotion and pay rises.

Why isn’t your H doing a share of weekday parenting?

Can one or both of you get some flexibility to be there for one earlier pick up a week?

Chiseltip · 10/12/2025 07:49

letitallopen · 08/12/2025 20:41

That’s nasty and spiteful and I’m calling it as such.

It's a statement of fact, the OP literally said that she doesn't need to work, she chooses to. Therefore it's demonstrably correct. Why do you choose to fee so offended by the truth?

Dozer · 10/12/2025 07:50

‘Surely no one wishes they had worked more over spending with their children?’

Nasty comment. It’s just not that simple. As well as time with parents DC and teens need housing, food etc - that costs money. Working PT or not at all for some years has huge personal risks - and some risks for the DC - that few fathers are willing to take.

letitallopen · 10/12/2025 07:52

Chiseltip · 10/12/2025 07:49

It's a statement of fact, the OP literally said that she doesn't need to work, she chooses to. Therefore it's demonstrably correct. Why do you choose to fee so offended by the truth?

Given it was deleted for spite, I don’t now know what it said. It was bloody horrible though and clearly MN agreed.

Dozer · 10/12/2025 07:53

posters often say they don’t ‘need’ to work FT based on short term current household income - DH earnings.

Personal earnings and earning ability are important in a number of frequently arising situations: divorce, DH redundancy or illness. And to build a personal pension.

Lemonysnickety · 10/12/2025 07:58

We used all sorts of care for our children but for our eldest two we used au pairs when they were older to allow them to be home. Our youngest went to wrap around but that was because my husband worked from home for himself and he could collect early from wraparound once the school run traffic eased up. I didn’t focus on the guilt too much. I felt guilty for any discomfort my children felt about anything because I’m a human Mum but I didn’t dwell on it.

SouthLondonMum22 · 10/12/2025 08:13

Dozer · 10/12/2025 07:53

posters often say they don’t ‘need’ to work FT based on short term current household income - DH earnings.

Personal earnings and earning ability are important in a number of frequently arising situations: divorce, DH redundancy or illness. And to build a personal pension.

Exactly.

I don't 'need' to work in the sense that we can live off of DH's income. I think that's very short sighted though and doesn't take into account my career progression, pension, earning potential etc and the fact that going down to one income is inherently risky.

I also love my career and men don't have to choose so why should I?

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 08:21

Dozer · 10/12/2025 07:46

‘Do you need to work full time?’ People don’t say that to fathers. Working PT has perks but also drawbacks, not least discrimination and worse prospects for promotion and pay rises.

Why isn’t your H doing a share of weekday parenting?

Can one or both of you get some flexibility to be there for one earlier pick up a week?

Exactly. God forbid a women have a career which gives her long term financial independence

OneGreySeal · 10/12/2025 08:57

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 08:21

Exactly. God forbid a women have a career which gives her long term financial independence

Why do these threads turn into a competition between those who take time out for their kids and those who choose not to.

If you decide to have children and then don’t make the requisite sacrifices to raise them that makes you a poor parent. Putting babies in nursery, keeping young children in nursery for 8 hours a day and then sticking them in wrap around care till they’re 16 how on earth is any of that healthy? How as a parent are you ok with spending such little time with your offspring when you know their childhood is brief.

This isn’t a go at parents who genuinely are on the bread line and have no choice but to work, nurseries can be a life line. The ‘god forbid women want financial independence’ that’s fine just don’t do it at the expense and well being of your child.

Then when you’re called out for it you come on here making attempts to make women feel bad who have taken time out and do have supportive husbands (shock, horror they do exist) feel like they’ve traded in their financial independence. Children require sacrifice and selflessness both parents should be making adequate changes to ensure their children are being looked after by their parents predominantly.

MyKindHiker · 10/12/2025 09:00

Well if you can afford not to work and just go in for a laugh then yeah, feel guilty.

If you need to work, don't feel guilty, it's life.

I personally feel zero guilt with working as the alternative (they starve) would be worse.

MightyGoldBear · 10/12/2025 09:31

I'd see if between me and my husband we could do opposite shifts/ reduce days/ flexi time/ wfh But I would try very very hard to keep hold of my job. This is what we did when I was working. It upset my child with additional needs routine too much (started school refusing)so I eventually had to give up my job(lower earner).

Where we are there is no wraparound and everyone seems to use grandparents so childminders aren't really needed. My child with additional needs who could probably access maybe two days of school wraparound with the right friends. But can't tolerate outside school childcare or holiday clubs etc a nanny would be too expensive for us. If there was more options I'd definitely be working and using some childcare. There is a happy medium to find.
I really hope you find it.

You might find as you child gets older they can tolerate more wraparound and really benefit from the extra income for hobbies or experiences. It's a lot easier to ramp up an existing part time job than finding a new one. I've been searching for wfh jobs for three years.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 09:36

Why do these threads turn into a competition between those who take time out for their kids and those who choose not to.

It shouldn't be a competition. Women should be able to make choices free of judgement. My comment was not judging SAHPs, it was saying it's okay for a woman to want to be financially independent.

If you decide to have children and then don’t make the requisite sacrifices to raise them that makes you a poor parent. Putting babies in nursery, keeping young children in nursery for 8 hours a day and then sticking them in wrap around care till they’re 16 how on earth is any of that healthy? How as a parent are you ok with spending such little time with your offspring when you know their childhood is brief.
Why gives you the right to call working mother's poor parents? Are you not embarrassed to write these comments?

Being a good parent isn't about being physically present all of the time. It's about making decisions that impact a child both in the short and long term. Choosing high quality childcare, appropriate schools, providing financially are all part of being a parent.

This isn’t a go at parents who genuinely are on the bread line and have no choice but to work, nurseries can be a life line. The ‘god forbid women want financial independence’ that’s fine just don’t do it at the expense and well being of your child.

Do you think it's only acceptable for parents to use childcare if they are on the breadline? How short sighted of you.
I'm very familiar with the research into childcare and it is clear, for under 2's the impact is neutral. it's neither beneficial or detrimental. The quality of childcare is the most important thing to consider. Using a nursery is not automatically going to have a negative impact on the well being of your child. However, if may benefit the mother by allowing her to work and maintain her career development or just keep the family out of poverty.
For over 2's there are benefits to attending a high quality childcare setting.
There is no evidence that wrap around care causing any widespread well being issues.

Then when you’re called out for it you come on here making attempts to make women feel bad who have taken time out and do have supportive husbands (shock, horror they do exist) feel like they’ve traded in their financial independence.
I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. Unlike you who is actually calling people poor parents.

I know there are supportive husbands out there. I have one. We share the financial responsibility of having a family and we share the actual childcare aspect. A supportive partner can look different for different families. And that's okay. For some that means providing for them financially, for others it means sharing household chores, childcare, mental load. You do what works for your family.

Children require sacrifice and selflessness both parents should be making adequate changes to ensure their children are being looked after by their parents predominantly.

That doesn't have to mean one parent giving up work. Lots of people work flexibly and make their situation work that way.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 09:37

MyKindHiker · 10/12/2025 09:00

Well if you can afford not to work and just go in for a laugh then yeah, feel guilty.

If you need to work, don't feel guilty, it's life.

I personally feel zero guilt with working as the alternative (they starve) would be worse.

Nobody should be made to feel guilty for working.

Dramatic · 10/12/2025 09:43

I wouldn't choose to do wraparound unless I absolutely had to. It sounds like you do have the option to do less hours so I would do that and be able to drop off/ pick up some days.

Summerunlover · 10/12/2025 09:46

Honestly I was your daughter as a kid. I hated it I was so tired all the time and miserable.

TreeDudette · 10/12/2025 09:46

My daughter absolutely hated wrap around so I work flexibly from home. Could you use a childminder with a more home environment if you don't want to drop your hours? Nothing wrong with cutting back on your hours when kids are little if you can afford it and want to do so.

whattheysay · 10/12/2025 09:55

I have been a sahm, worked part time and also full time. Working full time and using wraparound care was for me not a good experience, the guilt I felt also my youngest hated the breakfast club and would cry in the mornings although they loved the after school. I had to do it financially but as soon as our finances changed I left that job and stayed with the dc. I’m lucky that I was able to do this as many many don’t have the choice but I don’t regret it one bit