To think Jeremy Bamber might be innocent

[KimberleyClark]

Or that at the very least his conviction wasn’t safe and there needs to be a retrial? Ihe was convicted in 1985 of murdering his adoptive parents, sister and her twin sons at his parents’ farmhouse. It was at first deemed to be murder-suicide by the sister, Sheila Caffell, who was a diagnosed schizophrenic. Bamber had been on full life tarriff ever since and still protesting his innocence. I always assumed he was guilty until I listened to a podcast called Blood Family. There was a lot of evidence the jury didn’t hear, it seems the police mucked up the crime scene, his cousins had a financial motive for framing him and a police officer in the control room apparently took a 999 nonspeaking call from the farmhouse while Bamber was outside with the police, which would indicate someone was still alive at that point.

Agree the calls are contested but I have no faith in the CCRC to do an honest job in a high profile case. Think of the enormous embarrassment to the system if he were acquitted at a retrial (which is likely given the gaps in evidence, regardless of whether you believe he’s guilty). Not to mention the compensation which they’d now have to give untouched following Malkinson.

I just can’t imagine who else did it?

nope for me it’s him - he implicated himself with that phone call saying it was Sheila - we know it wasn’t Sheila so 🤷‍♀️

I Wonder how CCRC are managing to avoid retrial

thing is he will never confess as he has whole life tariff - bundy also never confessed until execution time

This is the thing, to believe Bamber’s version you have to believe his explanations of lots of bizarre and suspicious bits of behaviour.
To believe the police’s version you have to believe that all the places their paperwork or actions at the time contradict their own account are just (convenient?) mistakes.
Either way I find it a stretch.

I dont disagree, ive said in my first post weeks ago that the one little twinge I have is that hes never shown remorse, always protested his innocence and been working hard over the years.

And I think because its such a heinous crime and in such cold blood that id actually rather it was Sheila, as she was so vulnerable and disturbed, and I could get my head round it!

Its kind of unbelievable that a young personable, rich, handsome man would have such coldness in him. But it happens, the Menendez brothers etc.

This thread isn't good for me, too invested i think 😔

I guess he thought he'd struck gold at some ambiguity of recording.

Surely he’d be banking on the two call logs being as distinct as possible, at the point of seeking an appeal? And there are some differences.

I know what you mean. It’s very difficult to contemplate.

I think there are inconsistencies in both versions - Sheila’s hands and clean feet, but also the confusion around the silencer and the possible 6.09 call. I think he’d be acquitted at a retrial, and on balance that might be ok because he’s spent 40 years in prison. But he’d also be entitled to huge compensation and he’d make a fortune in media appearances. So I don’t think it will ever be allowed.

And on a lighter note wouid the Eatons have to give him White House Farm back along with his share in the holiday park 🙃🙃🙃

Which would then become unbelievably popular and he’d have no idea how to run it, it would be chaos. Keep him in!

But he wasn’t rich - there was huge tension as Neville wanted hard work and it wasn’t for Jeremy

remember the spending spree!! And then collapsing at the funeral - the two don’t go together

I think hes guilty...but

A retrial now after so many years wouid possibly yes free him, but could it ever be done fairly now after all these years? A lot of folk dead now unable to testify.

Someone suggested above if hes guilty and gets out yes theres the argument that he served 40 years, a very long time.....maybe that's punishment enough?

He should never have been convicted, based on that small amount of evidence. It’s crazy he’s still in prison and on a whole life sentence, like Peter Tobin was, and currently, Stephen Wright.

Well no - there was only one and he’s trying to make it look like two - that’s how the ambiguity plays well for him becuase he’s trying to say there were two

God no - for killing five people for money - 2 young children 😞

Im with you, my husband hates that i always play devil's advocate, 🤯

It wasn’t Sheila so by his own admission he’s guilty

he’s where he should be

Those keystone cops have a lot to answer for. Sheila cremated so couldn't look at her again, carpets burnt and policeman plod making a snap decision on Sheila.

Had that not happened he'd have had no wiggle room!

On the subject of Sheila's nails, there is a phenomenon that I can't remember the name of where before committing suicide an individual preparing themselves by bathing / washing, doing hair and nails.

I don’t think that’s what happened because remember Neville called Jeremy who then called police

It already is very popular.

I don't think any comparison can be drawn between Lucy Letby and Jeremy Bamber whatsoever. In Jeremy Bambers case it is crystal clear a crime has been committed, with two clear contenders. (Allegedly). With Lucy Letby, not so much.

My point was that at Lucy letbys trial the defence brought stuff up after the trial but didn’t challenge at trial because they couldn’t because it didn’t stand up

then afterwards they use that information to stir up the public about innocence

My point was that at Lucy letbys trial the defence brought stuff up after the trial but didn’t challenge at trial because they couldn’t because it didn’t stand up

That’s just your opinion. You don’t know why they didn’t bring up some evidence, same with the Bamber defence team at his trial and the second call log. There is no meaningful comparison here.

I do - I’ve read about it and seen it discussed on documentaries

I Can’t remember what it was but a thing they then went to public after with - after staying silent about it at the trial was becuase it didn’t refute the evidence - it was a major piece of evidence from prosecution

i can’t see why the defence wouldn’t bring up call logs if it was so pivotel he thinks it can prove his innocence now

as I keep saying Sheila (having a fight with Neville and reloading etc without a chip on nails) didn’t do it so it must be gonna he got the phone call saying she’d gone mad

anyway we can agree to disagree 🤷‍♀️

I’ve started listening to Blood Relatives the podcast which is meant to bring up new evidence.

It’s a bit corny with its narrative about English country life but it’s a good listen. Hearing Jeremy speak is interesting even though I don’t believe a word he says. He comes across as an insufferable, pompous bore and his sadness over his parents rings very hollow.

He really puts on a good act, it’s like he’s the unluckiest man ever, he has a rehearsed answer for everything and nothing is his fault.

I have noticed that he talks a lot about how much he loves and still misses his parents and is quite detached about Sheila.

However, I have never heard him say anything about his 6 year old nephews who were also killed - he doesn’t even make up a story about how much he loved them, never even utters their names. If you didn’t know better, you’d think it was just the three adults who were killed - very telling.