To think Jeremy Bamber might be innocent

[KimberleyClark]

Or that at the very least his conviction wasn’t safe and there needs to be a retrial? Ihe was convicted in 1985 of murdering his adoptive parents, sister and her twin sons at his parents’ farmhouse. It was at first deemed to be murder-suicide by the sister, Sheila Caffell, who was a diagnosed schizophrenic. Bamber had been on full life tarriff ever since and still protesting his innocence. I always assumed he was guilty until I listened to a podcast called Blood Family. There was a lot of evidence the jury didn’t hear, it seems the police mucked up the crime scene, his cousins had a financial motive for framing him and a police officer in the control room apparently took a 999 nonspeaking call from the farmhouse while Bamber was outside with the police, which would indicate someone was still alive at that point.

You don’t know at what point in time he knew about Saville, nobody does except him. Without his first documentary - when it was broadcast it was the first time the public knew about Savile’s sexual abuse - there wouldn’t have been Operation Yewtree (which you trivialise as “something”). Likewise there were investigations or reviews within the BBC, Department of Health and the NHS after the documentary was broadcast.

No, I don’t. But plenty of evidence has since come out that people did know - there had been investigations by various parties and and police reports. He didn’t unearth something new, though he did publicise allegations that had been previously reported. That’s a good thing, but I don’t think it makes him quite the genius he thinks he is. And I certainly don’t think the public were unaware until 2012, when it was broadcast, but I agree that documentary got it much wider coverage.

Too late to edit but forgot to add, Newsnight had a programme in 2011, but the BBC pulled it. I don’t know if it was ever aired.

I heard saville had such shit hot lawyers the BBC couldn’t risk it

Savile is something else - but I think the same level of arrogance applies. These people are superficially charming and think they can get away with things. Until they can't any longer. With regards to Jeremy Bamber - I can see that the police made such a bad job of it, there is plenty of room to claim an unsafe conviction. But he set himself up with the phone call. Sheila could no way have attacked her father and reloaded a gun without the slightest trace evidence, at a point when she would have been medicated and sleepy. And as I recall her autopsy showed she had taken her normal medication. Her nightie and feet were clean and her nails undamaged. Like she'd just got out of bed, one could say.

I can't recall if this has been pointed out already, but the call Bamber made from Goldhanger was at 03.36, ten minutes after the first call made by Neville (if it was Neville) from the farm. Bamber couldn't have got from the farm to Goldhanger in ten minutes. Both JB and Neville say the same thing about Sheila.

I do remember mentioning earlier that Sheila had been on that (single) medication for a while and perhaps the medication wasn't making her drowsy as it had done before.

I could be wrong but I think it's possible to tell menstrual blood from other blood in analysis.

And they said they could see blood. The items with blood had been soaking, so the blood would be watery. It seems a desperate link to me.
Yes I’m sure menstrual blood is different to normal blood.

Neville’s dead - how can we know he’s saying same thing?

Sheila couldn’t have done all that and wrestled with Neville without chipping a fingernail (no shellac or gel then)

what was Jeremy doing in that ten minutes while according to him his sister was going mad with a shotgun? Polishing shoes???

There’s pics online of both phone logs. Google is your friend here, such a marvellous invention, you know.

If JB didn’t do it then that ten minutes isn’t relevant, is it? Because he didn’t make that first call.

Also wouldn’t Neville have left the phone off the hook if he was attacked meaning Jeremy couldn’t use his phone in those days (until caller hangs up) I just can’t see that someone is going mad with a shotgun you would call your son and not 999

You really think google is font of all knowledge?

I think your better with evidence

of course the ten minutes is relevant - going mad with shotgun - don’t call 999 - call son who kicks around for ten minutes and then drives to farm at 10 miles an hour and is over taken by police and arrives five minutes after them

the call logs are all questionable btw and ambiguous - nothing conclusive there - amazed you know more than the prosecution and defence

There was a first call and that was from Neville to 999.

Nope

This is what your google says, don’t you know

• Single call logged: The court accepted that only one call was made to the police that night, which was from Jeremy Bamber at around 3:26 am (later logged at 3:36 am due to a misread clock) from his home, not from Nevill at the farm.

why didn’t the defence present this call from Neville at the trial?

just like Lucy Letby - they couldn’t refute it so kept quiet

Phoning his girlfriend, taking precious minutes when lives are at stake? According to some, because of course one needs support at such a time. (Yeh right when a crazy person is running amok with a rifle)

Plenty of time to phone girlfriend because he knew there was no rush, the deed had been done, and he merely had to meet the police at the scene looking distraught, hence driving there slowly and them passing him.

Distinct lack of rushing around at such a devastating time really. Before we start with other evidence.

There was one call. The person who took it explained that it looked like it had come from Neville, but was poorly recorded. It was from Jeremy saying his father had said this sister was going crazy with a rifle.

One call but two logs? No.

One was a radio log, the other an event log.

Prosecution successfully persuaded the jury that it was a duplicate.

Defence argued there were 2 calls. I guess in light of the other many items of evidence, it was something for the jury to consider.

Yes this. The notes leave room
for ambiguity which is what JB is trying to exploit

• Single call logged:

The court accepted that only one call was made to the police that night, which was from Jeremy Bamber at around 3:26 am (later logged at 3:36 am due to a misread clock) from his home, not from Nevill at the farm.

Yes and apparently he kept going on about how crazy Shelia was to police when he arrived …..but he didn’t respond that way when his father allegedly phoned him

as well as leaving a loaded shotgun against the kitchen wall the night before….

The jury never saw both logs of the two calls:

https://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/national/17980385.family-killer-jeremy-bamber-hopes-phone-evidence-free/

What a bad defence - there would be a reason they didn’t refute the prosectution evidence

like Lucy letby - then make a big fuss after the trial when they didn’t challenge it AT the trial

as pp said one was radio log

Well he found these written logs back in 2011 among a gazillion documents. I guess he thought he'd struck gold at some ambiguity of recording.

Unfortunately its all been brought before the CCRC on numerous occasions and been rejected. And explained as one call poorly recorded.