To think Jeremy Bamber might be innocent

[KimberleyClark]

Or that at the very least his conviction wasn’t safe and there needs to be a retrial? Ihe was convicted in 1985 of murdering his adoptive parents, sister and her twin sons at his parents’ farmhouse. It was at first deemed to be murder-suicide by the sister, Sheila Caffell, who was a diagnosed schizophrenic. Bamber had been on full life tarriff ever since and still protesting his innocence. I always assumed he was guilty until I listened to a podcast called Blood Family. There was a lot of evidence the jury didn’t hear, it seems the police mucked up the crime scene, his cousins had a financial motive for framing him and a police officer in the control room apparently took a 999 nonspeaking call from the farmhouse while Bamber was outside with the police, which would indicate someone was still alive at that point.

I think our instincts can tell us a lot

and we are always discouraged from not following them as not fact!

but they are useful information

I still think he's probably guilty, but the recent podcast series (I've listened to all but one) has made me have a few doubts for the first time.

Ah…podcasts will do that

What were the doubts?

One of the big ones was how the silencer was found by relatives (who stood to benefit from his imprisonment) and then was in the custody of an unreliable detective. There is the possibility of Ann Eaton tampering with the silencer and adding Sheila's blood via some knickers she had found.

Then there is there possibility of a call being made after 6am from the house, which was something I was unaware of before. I did feel he gave a reasonably convincing explanation of why he didn't call 999, although I appreciate he might be a very skilled liar.

My answers to that are

But why would Ann have it all worked out - she was not to know that the police deduced that Sheila can’t have killed herself if silencer used - also wasn’t the blood from period knickers soaking? It would have been there days - can’t see how you could have got blood from that (having soaked period knickers loads of times)

and the 6am call no one spoke apparently so we’re obv dying - if that call ever happened

I don’t buy his excuse about not dialling 999 - if your parents were in danger and you wanted them to live you’d do it and then drive over at speed - not 10 miles an hour and be overtaken by police!

I just think all those things don’t stack up compared to him

changing his story several times
not rushing over instead going 10 miles an hour
highlighting Sheila’s mental health time and time again on the night to police
leaving gun loaded and out the night before
spending money in a spree like the Mendez brothers
selling stuff to get money straight after
phoning his girlfriend before he rushed over and waiting for someone to answer (while family are being annihilated) surely he was setting up alibi
sheilas finger nails intact (gel nails weren’t around then) and perfect
how could Sheila over power her dad and have a punch up
getting family dog put down ( li can’t even move my late husband’s mustard jar)

If it wasn’t her it was him - because what he set up with phone call from neville

I'm inclined to agree, don't get me wrong. Sheila's nails being intact is hard to explain away. But the podcast did plant a seed of doubt.

There is an attempt to get the CCRC to reconsider his case.

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk

Totally agree. The police made a complete hash of the scene and the evidence, but ultimately it rests on that phone call. Jeremy said it was Sheila running amok with the gun, and it was very clear this was not possible. So therefore it was absolutely him.

I saw an advert recently for a live show about him....I'll look.

https://www.ticketnation.uk/shows/guilty-or-not-guilty-jeremy-bamber---the-white-house-farm-murders.html

Oh crumbs. I wouldn’t waste my money on Mark Williams Thomas - a narcissist if ever there was one.

None of that matters if Mr Bamber called the police or if someone was alive in the house when Jeremy was outside.

Who says Sheila’s fingernails were perfect?

He seems to have a good CV, including exposing Jimmy Savile.

It was given in evidence at the trial. Crime scene photos also, which can still be found online. . No builder gel in those days, i remember how easy it was to chip your varnish.

Get Mark Williams Thomas started on the moon landings or the McCanns, it will blow your mind😁 ill give you he was right about Saville

EVen a stopped clock can be right once a day.

I've listened to the whole thing now, and its all very reaching. If Sheila couldn't have done it, it was Jeremy.

MWT has been right about quite a few things. I don’t agree with his tour but he’s just a credible commentator as many other people somehow involved in this case, perhaps more so considering his background.

It seems to be disputed.

It also seems they had Mr Bamber’s DNA under them but not Jeremy’s.

If it wasn’t Sheila it was Jeremy. Yes. That’s stating the obvious but it’s a big if.

In the documentary on Sky, one of Bamber’s former friends said him and Bamber knew some dodgy types who sold drugs to Bamber and that Bamber may have paid one of them to commit the murders. It being Bamber or Sheila who committed the murders and no third party being involved is a bit of a daft theory.

Same.

I don’t remember any specifics OP so don’t bother asking as I’m not really that interested but I am pretty sure he’s guilty.

Well lets face it if youre going to make a high profile podcast doing one with the premise "Jeremy Bamber is still guilty" isn't going to draw a lot of interest.

Its Colin Caffell I feel for.

Yes, but then we all write our own CVs don’t we?

I wouldn’t describe him as ‘exposing Savile’ as that implies he uncovered hitherto unknown evidence. There were decades of suspicion and reports. He did publicise these and I guess this embarrassed the police enough to do something, albeit only after Savile was dead. I wonder why he didn’t do something about this when he was actually in the police though, given how he talks up his credentials. It seems that he was only a detective for a year and is cagey about his reasons for leaving.

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Im getting him mixed up with someone completely different.

I would say everyone knew about jimmy saville - I even heard it from friends who worked at stoke mandevikke years before he died

nobody exposed it everyone knew

it was about who had guts to speak it out loud

Sorry not guts - but who could