To have said that women should be drafted equally to men??

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Chatting to a group of friends about the state of the world etc and while in theory I’m against conscription and forced national military service I did say that I think it’s right that there is more equality in girls/women being treated the same as boys/men in the countries that have service.
One friend who has 3 teen girls really had a go at me and got very upset. I have a teen boy and teen girl. While I hate the idea of EITHER being forced to enter the military I think they should be treated equally ( roles allowing - ie some combat roles aren’t open to women) if it came to it. ‘it’ being an actual war with Russia and/or its allies.

it got VERY heated, even though I and another friend pointed out that there are many non-combat roles in the military. And that if we did end up in a World War we’d likely have a role in it regardless of sex or age.

YABU - only men should be drafted
YANBU - in the modern world both sexes should serve in the military.

I found out something today I had no idea about. Munitions in WWII were taken by road, train, and canal boats.

The canal boat operators were mostly women over 50. It wasn't a fast way to move things but the Germans thought they were civilian boats taking coal and pottery around.

The first operators were women who had been part of family businesses but later women were specifically trained.

I think the problem with 'equality' is that it never is. When the police amalgamated they actually just moved the women into the men's police. All the expertise the women's force had was just thrown away.

You’re assuming that the rape is by the enemy. If you read accounts of serving UK servicewomen you will see many accounts of sexual harassment, assault and rape by their own colleagues especially senior officers.

From other men yes.

Yes there will be a handful instances where women have started a war.

But throughout time, thousands of years, wars are overwhelmingly started by men.

Hellen of Troy? 🙄

She didn't start the war! Apart from the fact that some of the sources have her being kidnapped, even if she went willingly that didn't mean she started the war.

If you slept with another man and your DP killed him you wouldn't be the one on trial for murder!

Conscripted females should take over the 95% of military roles that don't require superior physical strength and endurance, thus allowing more men to be in the front line infantry units.

Maybe that’s because men historically held positions of power. Who knows if it would have been different had it been women ?

There were also the women behind that power. A quick look at chatgpt will tell you that , and inform you about the women actually in power that waged war or defended the countries. Catherine the great .. Joan of Arc…Queen Victoria…etc etc , have a look it’s interesting.

We are all equal you know.

I know this. Thus the eye roll. 🫠

Did she even exist? 😂

I'm a bit puzzled by people arguing this, in the assumption that apparently after the war was over we'd develop into a sort of polygyny situation where each man has lots of women to breed with. That's not what happened after WWI - the death of so many young men led to an unprecedented number of women who didn't marry, not some sort of divvying up of all the women among the men - so why would we consider it an inevitable (and apparently positive!) effect of another world war?

She was so beautiful that no man could look upon her, so you'd need to get a woman to confirm her existence/not. And we all know how much use they are for Big Important Stories.

But also there is no doubt this would increase the intentional conception of babies who would otherwise be actively prevented.
Remember the headlines about council housing policies promoting teen pregnancy?

I would guess that states which have compulsory military service for both sexes would already have stats on that. There will also be cultural differences on things like the acceptability of sex before marriage and contraception etc, which will affect things.

I asked google about Israel, where I know both women and men are required to do national service, and was surprised by the result.
Exemption Criteria: The law stipulates that a woman is exempt from the mandatory draft if she is a mother (or married or pregnant).
Reserve Duty: Women are also generally not called up for reserve duty if they are beyond the age of 24 or are married.

That sounds a little bit like it's as much for the men as for the children.

I don’t think its for the men.

Rather, it’s the assumption that a young married woman is likely to become pregnant. Therefore not efficient to draft her, induct her, train her and then have her leave shortly thereafter due to pregnancy.

we’re talking about conscription.

we are talking about conscription 🙄

I was responding to someone who thinks that "women don't fight in wars"

Us woman fight for equal rights so we can do the same as men.
So if men are conscripted, us women should be to.
If men have to fight in war so should the women.

Absolutely, we have women leading countries, we have women in charge of navy battleships, we have women piloting space shuttles, women in charge of banks. Equality has been hard-fought and women have risen to the challenge. If men can be conscripted, so can women.

How about we don't have consciption? War never achieves anything. We came to the rescue of Poland in the second world war. Once the war was over Russia just invaded Poland anyway. Stalin killed more poeple than Hitler .We have never financially recovered from the Second World War. War just leads to more war. If you ever ask any veteran is they think war was worth it, they always say'no'. I think we should help any country in a war from a humanitarian perspective and with finances but stay out of any war that does not relate to the UK (self defence only). And never get rid of our nuclear weapons like Ukraine did.

But that’s a matter for individual couples.

For some there is an equal split.

For some there isn’t. And if there isn’t, that’s something for those in the relationship to address.

The modern world still isn't equal. In reality, the vast majority of women are the main carers for children, elderly and disabled. The vast majority are also much better at it than the average man. In general, women have more empathy, more patience, more emotional intelligence. There's also the fact that only women can breast feed and women who are pregnant need to be protected for the sake of their unborn child.
I have a son and a daughter, I couldn't chose one to be sent to war, but if I'm taking emotion out of it and thinking about the general population and what would be best for the country, it would be women staying at home to care for their families.

So what would you say men are much better at than women ?
There are loads of male carers and men fully involved in their children ´s care. I am not sure how you can say they are worse at it.
It’s just unfair and a bit of a sweeping statement to say we have more empathy, emotional intelligence and patience. It actually hurts when I think of my brothers, father, sons, DH and friends and even the men I work with and hell even my medical consultant and the male nurses I’ve encountered while ill to read that. They are just people not ´a sex ´ , with their personalities, qualities and weaknesses just like women.
I agree on the pregnancy and breast feeding obviously 😉