To have said that women should be drafted equally to men??

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Chatting to a group of friends about the state of the world etc and while in theory I’m against conscription and forced national military service I did say that I think it’s right that there is more equality in girls/women being treated the same as boys/men in the countries that have service.
One friend who has 3 teen girls really had a go at me and got very upset. I have a teen boy and teen girl. While I hate the idea of EITHER being forced to enter the military I think they should be treated equally ( roles allowing - ie some combat roles aren’t open to women) if it came to it. ‘it’ being an actual war with Russia and/or its allies.

it got VERY heated, even though I and another friend pointed out that there are many non-combat roles in the military. And that if we did end up in a World War we’d likely have a role in it regardless of sex or age.

YABU - only men should be drafted
YANBU - in the modern world both sexes should serve in the military.

And in your country is it mandatory for men to take on 50% of the caring responsibilities for their children and elderly relatives? To make exactly the same career sacrifices etc? And women are paid exactly the same as men for the same role, yes?

Hmm. I suppose on a societal level, if you lose too many women in your country then your population is going to plummet.

We wouldn’t need an army if we went to war with Russia- they would just chuck a few nukes at us and that would be it- game over!

It'll never be equal anyway. Women will never be drafted with the expectation that they fight on the front line, because doing so would be totally pointless - they wouldn't stand a chance against male enemy combatants. You'd be killing off vast swathes of your working age population, destroying morale and crippling your ability to repopulate. Some really silly comments itt.

Yes but men are also needed for reproduction?

I think there is a difference to be conscripted as front line infantry and being conscripted to help in the overall war effort, as in WW2.

Conscripting young women to send them to the frontline would be very self defeating for a country.

Yes, but his participation takes minutes, a woman’s is tied up gor a minimum of 9 months.

A society can recover if women are spared and a majority of men killed, but not the other way around.

Can I just point out that the medic who goes out with sections, platoons etc very much in the thick of it on the front lines is carrying more weight wise in the medic pack and is highly likely to be female.

Reading this thread has made it clear how little people know of roles within the military and also the history of wars, and the involvement of women.
Please, pick up a book. I recommend Women in Intelligence by Helen Fry as a Starter for 10.

Women in the British forces were in France on D day. Wherever there's war, there's always ve Nurses/medical orderlies.

Women have always been involved in war, but with the drama poster's on here make of 'school mums' would be interesting to see what they make of drafted ones

Right. Except they haven’t yet have they? Almost as if that’s a zero sum game.

But men could easily do that too.

Obviously. I’m thinking of my own family history.
The most recent episode where our men were enlisted was WW2. Then, physical strength was the most important requirement for conscripts.
if we entered into a war with Russia now it would be technologically played out. Women are equally capable of technological warfare.

If my country was being invaded, I would do what I could to defend it. Don’t suppose I’d stop to question which gender began it.

This is the only answer. Surprised OP and others are unaware, or going off on a tangent about equality or feminism....Women are the bearers of children, not in a derogatory demeaning way, just facts. Nothing equal about the 9 months a woman spends growing a child in her uterus, and never will be 🤣

If lots of women die, who will regrow the population. Simple!

OP yes, YABU.

Sorry, but no, strength was NOT a requirement for the draft. Plenty of ‘weedy’ men got drafted. Being 18-30 and not having any obvious mental or physical ‘defects’ was all that was required… and as the war dragged on the age limit went up and the exceptions were less…

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Women don't fight in wars because if swathes of women died humanity would die out. Women are more reproductively valuable. Can't believe people don't know this.

good grief. Women don't fight in wars because they are too valuable for reproduction. Don't you know this???

Yes, if you have conscription, then it should be equal, though preferably we should not have it at all.

When we have had conscription in the past, there were always reserved occupations - my paternal grandfather was a farmer, and Dad was born a few months before the start of WW2, so Granny was busy being a new mother, and i would expect there to be exemptions for parents and certain jobs. But my great aunts were in the Land Army and the WRNs. My maternal grandfather was conscripted into the army, and my grandmother was in the WAAF. I also grew up knowing a family friend who had been to prison as a conscientious objector.

I have German colleagues who are old enough to have done compulsory service in the 1980s (they are now in their 50s.) One was in the Luftwaffe, but another did civilian service, and worked in a hospital. There should be the option of conscription to non-military roles.

Conscription has always highlighted issues with nutrition and disease in populations, with not everyone being fit enough for military roles. That would still be the same, it's just the way people are poorly nourished will have changed.

You can but you'd be wrong. The medic does carry a lot of kit. But so do the signallers, the machine gunners, mortars, each man will carry extra ammunition for the crew served weapons.

I also think its pretty unfair calling it a man's war. I mean its true that its usually men that start them but not the same men that have to go and sacrifice themselves. You could just as easily say its an old person's war so young people shouldn't be expected to fight. Or in the case of Europe its a white person's war. No people of colour should have to fight.

I'm same OP, I'm against conscription but if it was to happen women should be conscripted just as much as men.

Women were conscripted in WW2 in the UK

Women do fight in wars.

But only for non-combatant roles.