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AIBU to think the UK should have a National Food Service again? (Like we basically had in WW2)

215 replies

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 05:49

During WW2 and for years after, the UK did have a kind of National Food Service.
The government controlled prices, ran bakeries, managed rationing, guaranteed flour/milk supplies, and kept basic staples affordable so people didn’t starve. It wasn’t fancy, but it worked.

So with the cost of living crisis now, rising food prices, food banks everywhere, and benefits going up because families literally can’t afford groceries… why don’t we bring back a modern version?

I’m not talking about anything complicated.
I mean basic, no-frills staples produced not for profit:

  • bread
  • rice
  • pasta
  • tinned tomatoes
  • flour
  • oats
  • basic cooking oil
  • tinned veg / beans

All stuff we can grow or easily manufacture in the UK.

If the government owned the land, the factories, and the distribution, they could:

  • create thousands of jobs ( more people paying tax)
  • stabilise food prices
  • make sure no one goes hungry
  • massively reduce the need for benefits to keep rising
  • put pressure on supermarkets to stop hiking prices

Other countries already do versions of this:

France controls wheat prices
Japan buys rice from farmers and sells it back at stable prices
Egypt subsidises bread for millions
India has state-run ration shops
Brazil provides government food baskets
Saudi Arabia subsidises milk, flour, staples through state industry

It’s not a wild idea lots of countries see food as a strategic, essential service.

A National Food Service would mean:

  • no shareholders to pay
  • no profit margin
  • steady UK jobs
  • cheaper food
  • more secure supply chains
  • less reliance on private companies
  • more tax revenue from the workers it employs

It could help families massively.
Especially those who are working but still struggling, or whose benefits are swallowed by food prices.

Given everything going on, food inflation, child poverty, constant arguments about increasing benefits, would a simple, not-for-profit national food range actually save money in the long run?

OP posts:
Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:23

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 11:14

We don't need additional food. We are overproducing which leads to food waste. Even community pantries/fridges can't get rid of all the excess food.

What we need is those who can't cook/won't cook to start cooking.

Those that say they don't have the time - we all have the same 24 hours a day.

The feckless have plenty of spare time.

Quite it is always those who have the most time that seem to do the least.

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:23

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:21

Sorry - I posted too soon. I do eat them regularly. Alot of people also cannot eat pulses regularly , due to dietary issues. I work with children with complex and multiple disabilities and some of these children cannot digest pulse properly. I myself have thyroid issues and have to limit the amount of pulses I eat due to the detrimental effect it can have on my condition. I do enjoy a bean chilli though!

Quite the drip feed then, should have led with that rather than the (wrong) whinging about the price.
Either way, these staples like pulses and carrots are already extremely cheap. I'm not sure how you think they could possibly be any cheaper.

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:25

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:23

Quite it is always those who have the most time that seem to do the least.

I’m not feckless. I’m disabled. I work full time. I’m time poor and I don’t have the spoons to prep food after a full day at work.

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:26

Breakitinto3 · 05/12/2025 11:19

As an immigrant I am always quite baffled by claims that food is expensive and/or takes too much effort to cook.
Asda white potatoes are 2kg for abou 1.30, carrots for 69p for 1kg, broccoli 79p and even cheaper if one buys frozen. Rice and pasta are cheap. Pulses can be very cheap (soak them if buying dry). Meat is pricey, still not that much compared to other countries but still. That's asda which is not the cheapest. You can now buy sweet potatoes for under a pound per kilo in many places.
It's actually fairly easy to get veg and fruit on offers for very cheap.
Many easy and quick dishes can be made from basics or whatever is on offer.

What the issue is not that food is expensive, but that "exciting" food is more expensive.

Apples are around £2.50 a bag . Oranges around the same. Bananas about £1.50. The most basic fruit. Cheese around £4.00 for a pound /400g of that red crap. More for the taster stuff. I am talking about food for families not single people or couples. My family are grown up amd I honestly do not know how parents on basic wages /benefits do it. It must be so tough. It is disgraceful when others have so much in this country.
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StellaMary · 05/12/2025 11:27

Of course, state-run food production and distribution worked so well in the USSR 😭

We already subsidise farming hugely in the UK and we have very efficient supermarkets on incredibly low margins. I think your idea is terrible, op. Where people are struggling to afford food it’s a demand side issue, not supply side.

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:28

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:25

I’m not feckless. I’m disabled. I work full time. I’m time poor and I don’t have the spoons to prep food after a full day at work.

Exactly. The sheer ignorance of this poster. I am sorry that you had to see that.

dimple285 · 05/12/2025 11:30

Where exactly are the government getting all this land to grow all this stuff OP? Do you know the price of land?

Then they will need to build all the buildings needed to store, distribute and sell all these goods, they need all the machinery to harvest and process it, they will need to pay for all the labour to farm/build/run all these operations - even minimum wage is constantly going up and up (and is part of what is pushing prices up).

Who exactly is going to be paying for the huge upfront costs and why do you think they would be able to make higher quality produce for less and still break even?

I'd much prefer the government took over water and utilities than started trying to mess around with producing food.

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:31

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:23

Quite the drip feed then, should have led with that rather than the (wrong) whinging about the price.
Either way, these staples like pulses and carrots are already extremely cheap. I'm not sure how you think they could possibly be any cheaper.

You really are a lovely person aren't you ?

gogomomo2 · 05/12/2025 11:31

These basics are not being sold for much in the way of profit, once manufacture and distribution has happened there isn’t much from a basic loaf of bread, the supermarket profits come from the premium ranges and ready meals etc. basic pasta can be bought very cheaply yet you can spend 10x as much in the same supermarket. Tinned tomatoes are mostly from Italy for good reason, climate. If you want to help people, free cooking lessons and a scheme to donate used but not ruined cooking pots is the best way. I used to teach a class (before the last government closed down children’s centres) and the amount of parents who couldn’t prepare a simple meal was astonishing, I used to teach them to cook 4 meals plus they received some basic pans and some store cupboard ingredients but we lost funding in the cuts.

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:32

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:26

Apples are around £2.50 a bag . Oranges around the same. Bananas about £1.50. The most basic fruit. Cheese around £4.00 for a pound /400g of that red crap. More for the taster stuff. I am talking about food for families not single people or couples. My family are grown up amd I honestly do not know how parents on basic wages /benefits do it. It must be so tough. It is disgraceful when others have so much in this country.
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Seriously where do you shop? Tesco has apples for 85p a bag on clubxard price this week. Bananas 75p a bunch. Cheddar £4.60 for 700g. Are you buying organic and then complaining that it is expensive?

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:32

dimple285 · 05/12/2025 11:30

Where exactly are the government getting all this land to grow all this stuff OP? Do you know the price of land?

Then they will need to build all the buildings needed to store, distribute and sell all these goods, they need all the machinery to harvest and process it, they will need to pay for all the labour to farm/build/run all these operations - even minimum wage is constantly going up and up (and is part of what is pushing prices up).

Who exactly is going to be paying for the huge upfront costs and why do you think they would be able to make higher quality produce for less and still break even?

I'd much prefer the government took over water and utilities than started trying to mess around with producing food.

We already pay thousands of pounds in benefits so that people can buy food. Then people want free food on top of that. The greed of some people from their fellow citizens is unlimited.

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:34

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:25

I’m not feckless. I’m disabled. I work full time. I’m time poor and I don’t have the spoons to prep food after a full day at work.

If you're not feckless and work full time how on earth are concluding that my post refers to you?

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:36

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:32

Seriously where do you shop? Tesco has apples for 85p a bag on clubxard price this week. Bananas 75p a bunch. Cheddar £4.60 for 700g. Are you buying organic and then complaining that it is expensive?

Not in my Tesco
They have regional variations. And in poorer areas , they have more expensive prices. That is marketing. ( As the shop is the one the people are more reliant on).

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:38

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:34

If you're not feckless and work full time how on earth are concluding that my post refers to you?

How is the scheme going to be mitigated to level up for those who are disabled and / or have food allergies?

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:42

@SnoopyandSweep If you say so. Do you live on a remote island or something?

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:42

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:38

How is the scheme going to be mitigated to level up for those who are disabled and / or have food allergies?

It's not my scheme. I think it is a ridiculous item for the government to control food when the system is so efficient. And to refer to the war - there is a reason that people were very thin in the 1940s food was very limited.

The current system works.

Bambamhoohoo · 05/12/2025 11:43

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:00

Baked beans, kidney beans, botlotti beans, pinto beans, cannelleni beans, haricot beans, black eyed beans, black beans, green lentils, chickpeas. All under a £ at Tesco. No you don't have to eat lentils every day, but pulses are cheap, balanced and versatile - nothing wrong with eating them regularly.

You can’t eat a tin of pulses for every meal either?!

eta- that response was to the poster who can apparently produce a meal of carbs protein and veg for under £1.

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:44

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:42

It's not my scheme. I think it is a ridiculous item for the government to control food when the system is so efficient. And to refer to the war - there is a reason that people were very thin in the 1940s food was very limited.

The current system works.

Please point to where I said it was your scheme? Thanks.

Bambamhoohoo · 05/12/2025 11:46

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 11:14

We don't need additional food. We are overproducing which leads to food waste. Even community pantries/fridges can't get rid of all the excess food.

What we need is those who can't cook/won't cook to start cooking.

Those that say they don't have the time - we all have the same 24 hours a day.

The feckless have plenty of spare time.

Why do you need them to cook?

why is feckless not to cook?

Tana433 · 05/12/2025 11:46

The idea of the government being able to 'control' food supply to the people chills me to the bone. They are already trying to get far more control than they need (digital id, carbon allowance etc) I am in charge of my family's budget and i dont need anyone else telling me what or how much of something i can buy. The very idea should terrify you, never give someone else that kind of control, it is totally open to abuse.

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:47

Bambamhoohoo · 05/12/2025 11:43

You can’t eat a tin of pulses for every meal either?!

eta- that response was to the poster who can apparently produce a meal of carbs protein and veg for under £1.

Edited

Well, you could if you wanted to. But I didn't say you should...

Bambamhoohoo · 05/12/2025 11:49

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 11:47

Well, you could if you wanted to. But I didn't say you should...

Sorry I had to edit as the site crashed having only posted half my response!

surreygirly · 05/12/2025 11:51

No
I do not want to pay more tax thanks

Bumblebee72 · 05/12/2025 11:57

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 11:44

Please point to where I said it was your scheme? Thanks.

You really need that? In your previous post you asked me how it would be adapted for disabled and people with allergies. I responded to say it is not my scheme I think it is a bad idea. Daytime mumsnetting is hard work.

Overthebow · 05/12/2025 11:58

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 11:26

Apples are around £2.50 a bag . Oranges around the same. Bananas about £1.50. The most basic fruit. Cheese around £4.00 for a pound /400g of that red crap. More for the taster stuff. I am talking about food for families not single people or couples. My family are grown up amd I honestly do not know how parents on basic wages /benefits do it. It must be so tough. It is disgraceful when others have so much in this country.
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You must have the one really expensive supermarket in the country then, at supermarkets round my area apples and bananas are £1 a bag, cheese is £3 for a big block. You don’t need to just eat lentils, but they are very useful to bulk out meals, as are cheap veg like carrots. I make a batch of spaghetti bolognese for under £8 using mince and then lentils, carrots, mushrooms and peas to bulk it out and it feeds a family of 4 for 3 meals, that’s almost half a week of dinners for less than £8, with 5 vegetables included and filling. If you cook from scratch using the cheaper food available then decent meals really aren’t expensive.