Ban men from working in nursery settings

[Aliceisagooddog]

After yet another paedophile has been found guilty of awful crimes whilst working at a nursery, surely we need to rethink this. The risks are just too great.

TBF that's not what I'm doing but hey don't let that stop you.

Just relieved that most people don't think like this, and on that note, I've got better things to do with my time than respond to people who are determined not to see another point of view.

Enjoy being rude keyboard warriors

Not just you. You’re not the only person on this thread who seems to think that men and women are equal so far as sex offences are concerned. So not personal. And not an attack.

Can you answer my question please?

TBF that's exactly what you're doing.

You read about multiple, possibly hundreds, of children being abused and have come on here crying sexism because NAMALT.

And this is where reality hits.
There is simply no way for any nursery to be pedophile-proof other than excluding men from their premises (including those working in nursery kitchens).

You are literally saying that no woman could possibly be a paedophile. It's wrong and encourages people to relax their usual safeguarding attitude around women. You are making things easier for female paedophiles.

I agree that now where can be pedophile proof but by banning men you make it as close to that as you can be.

"as pedophile-proof as humanly possible in a nursery" then if you prefer.
98% of sex crimes are carried out by men.
There is always a minuscule risk that women (usually with a pedophile partner) will sexually abuse children in their care so you can never eliminate the risk entirely although that would be wonderful.
By excluding males, you can eliminate 98% of the risk.
That seems worthwhile to me.

But all those unrelated males are men. All the men in you own life, the ones you trust, are "unknown males" to other people. So logically, you can't say you trust a male that you know, that would be illogical.

If you don't trust men, then presumably you agree with all young boys being told they ARE child abusers, and that they will be treated as such.

Whay age do you think it's appropriate to tell them this?

You love going around in circles with your logical fallacies.

When should we tell boys how they are thought of by society? I think a nursery rhyme would do it. What are boys made of ...

Maybe around the same time we tell children that the feelings of men are more important than their safety.

So ban men from nursery, preschool, infant school, nursing, schools with non verbal children. Where else?

A female nursery worker:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-49684939

Womens refuges, womens changing rooms, women's toilets, womens prisons......

Oh, wait, we already do that because of the risks, yet you're advocating for men to have intimate access to non verbal children, on a thread started because a paedophile in a nursery has been convicted and has, potentially, hundreds of victims.

Weird how your mind has went straight to the rights of men and not the safety of children.

No, I didn't say that we shouldn't ban men.
I asked where else? Anywhere where men might be alone with a woman or girl?

Anywhere where a woman, girl or child is in a state of undress and thus vulnerable. Apparently that doesn’t include nurseries.

What do you think a speech therapist is going to do that’s terrifying exactly?
They work in clinics where parents take their children to the appointments and work in school settings where they are surrounded by people all the time?
They will also be subject to a dbs check and rigorous safeguarding procedures to do that job .

So is each and every nonce thats been jailed for noncing 🤷‍♀️

Tbf though, i acknowledge later in the thread that we cant really ban men from society

Its one of those fears that I have as the mother of a vulnerable non verbal child, and i think its valid, given the number of male offenders in society and the overrepresentation of these people in the care industry

I'm returning to this because ANOTHER man was convicted in Bristol today.
Wake up everyone!!!

I saw this

fucking terrifying

Yet still they'll come to announce that "women do it too" and how much better the men they know in caring roles are than the horrible women. Unfathomable isn't it?

Completely agree. What can we do? Any ideas? I feel like a campaign should be launched

I'm an early years professional, Qualified at 18 ( now 47 ) the first NNEB Male Nursery Nurse in West London. It has always been my vocation. But days like these just make me feel like just giving up.

Tell you what, let’s just get rid of all nurseries. They’re not needed, and kids start school at 4/5, so it’s only a few years.

Just for the record, it is entirely legal, necessary and appropriate to ban men from certain jobs. It's called a Sex-Specific Exemption (SSE) and is included in the Equality Act 2010. It allows domestic violence refuges, rape crisis support centres and other similar places to refuse to employ men. On the grounds that they are men and their presence may be intimidating, humiliating or distressing to the women using the services.

So if nurseries wanted to stop employing men, it could easily be done.

Equality does not mean treating everyone the same. It's about providing everyone the opportunity to get equal outcomes despite any disadvantages they start with.