Ban men from working in nursery settings

[Aliceisagooddog]

After yet another paedophile has been found guilty of awful crimes whilst working at a nursery, surely we need to rethink this. The risks are just too great.

The drive for these predators is so strong, I don't think it's easy to comprehend.

we Can’t with one hand complain about men being uncaring or shit dads when at the same time we are saying they aren’t safe to be near children just because they are male.

what we need (and happens in most childcare settings) are robust safeguarding policies which are followed by all to ensure everyone is kept safe.

Nope, that is discrimination by sex. Men love children and are great at caring for them too. This has happened with women paedophiles too!
What we need is to stop leaving children with one adult! It should not be allowed in nurseries or school clubs. Open spaces and at least two adults around the changing, napping and so on.

Shall we ban them from being police officers? From being a HCP? From teaching? From being taxi drivers?

I mean, in all those cases there are examples of men committing assault, and you can fairly argue that they are more of a risk than women.

I don’t think banning men is the right approach. It would never be acceptable to ban a woman from a career path.

And what do we think about men in nursing, or elderly care, should they be banned from there too?

What we need is more rigorous safeguarding and vetting procedures.

such as

Nobody ever carries out intimate care alone. Nobody is alone in a shut room with children.

Everyone operates on a worst case scenario setting and does whatever necessary to eliminate risks.

Of course parents can vote with their feet and not choose a nursery with male staff as is their right, but I don’t think it’s right to just ban men full stop.

There are also many case studies of child abuse at the hands of female workers.

Are you also going to ban men from being primary school teachers whilst your at it?

Of course the case is extremely upsetting and sad, there are also cases of women doing the same thing though. Predators find ways thankfully it's rare.

DS2 has a male nursery worker he's absolutely brilliant, incredible with the kids and well liked.

It's a parents choice if they are not comfortable with a male nursery worker, don't send your child. But it's unrealistic to think it's only men who are found guilty of child abuse.

Predators and child abusers are both sexes.

About 5 years ago.

The vast majority of sexual abuse is committed by men. 98% of sex crimes have a male perpetrator.

Its a difficult one

My heart is like 'yes, ban men from general society tbh'

I would ask how they came to find out about this - were there warnings?

Men in any care role are dangerous - my dd is non verbal and has a male teaching assistant and speech therapist

🥺🥺 terrifying

My heart goes out to the parents and the children xx

Why? The school nursery my son attends has a male nursery teacher. I think it is great. Male role model for some of the boys and the kids seem to really like him. Shame it is very rare.

How many female paedophiles have been convicted of sexual abuse in nurseries? I can't think of one for about 20 years 🤔

Whereas men make up 3% of the workforce and I can name 5 male paedophiles convicted in the last couple of years...

I don’t know how it explain it more simply to you to aid your understanding.

This again? 🙄

No I understand perfectly thank you and nursery agee children are especially vulnerable due to their young age and that personal care is required so extra precautions may be required that may not be necessary with older children unless they have additional needs.

I think it's going to come up regularly, every time a new man is caught sexually abusing nursery children.

No. Boys in particular need healthy male role models from a young age to provide balance with the attitudes of Andrew Tate and his ilk. My dad did all the bathing, hair washing and drying, taking to school, preparing meals, reading stories, vomit mopping-up and comforting in my childhood, so I will always champion men as able to care for children just as well as women.

This. Not all abusers are men.

I would not put my daughter into a nursery or playschool that has men working there. I won’t even let my dd go to a childminder.

When I was growing the local childminder/ play school leaders adult son abused nearly 30 kids in my village spanning years. It was awful, so many families affected.

YABU

DS2 is a nurse. People with attitudes like yours really piss me off.

From when DS2 was about 4 he wanted to be a nurse, and he stuck to it. He’s absolutely brilliant at it. He’s won local and awards. He works really hard at bettering himself and his practice, and is a great role model for other males, especially DGS.

This case is absolutely horrific, but we can’t go round banning all men from professions. There would be an outrage if this was suggested of women

The single biggest risk for a child being abused is the presence of a step parent in the home, the so called 'cinderella' effect. A child is 100 times more likely to experience abuse in a home with a step parent in it. It is not essential for a step parent to live with a child, so should we ban step parents from living with non related children because of the increased risk?

Taking this idea to its logical conclusion, we would sack all of the men and employ Rose West and Myra Hindley.