Men who can't keep to their own side of a double seat on public transport

[Pavementworrier]

This is getting worse right? It's getting to the point where they just launch themselves halfway across both and crush the person sitting at the window and don't seem to see anything wrong with this. Guy just did that to me so I elbowed him away and he turned to look at me in outrage.

I think part of the issue is people who used to drive are getting public transport more. Which is good overall but it also means a lot more selfish pricks in enclosed spaces.

The seats are perfectly adequate for the average human. They’re not suited to those who are much larger or the gym bros who are the size of a fridge I agree. I’d suggest those people stand if there are no free full bays rather than crush someone else into the window.

I hate this excuse. As though men haven’t been able to sit with their legs closed for centuries and they must all have new enormous balls that need all the space.

Had an extremely slender girl (well mid 30s woman really but they all seem young to me) next to me on the train this morning who flopped her legs all over my side of the seat and her elbow nearly in front of me to type on her stupid laptop. Of course I said nothing.

This really isn’t gender specific, not sure why you’re claiming it is.

To be honest, for every manspreading arse invading the next door seat there is a woman dumping her handbag/shopping/dog on the adjacent seat pretending to look out the window while ignoring standing passengers.

To be fair, a lady of a certain age looked aghast that I actually wanted to sit at the window seat today on the train, whilst she was hogging the aisle seat.

Well yes, I'd like to sit down. And can't you just get up????

A couple of years back I sat on a plane to Amsterdam next two a very tall Dutch man, about 6’4” or taller.

I always, always book an aisle seat (I won’t get on a plane unless I feel 100% assured I have one - don’t tell me it’s never 100%, I need to tell myself it is!). He was in the middle seat - presumably having not felt he wanted to pay to book anything else. He sat completely within his seat space, utterly respectfully the whole time. Didn’t even look particularly uncomfortable. This was a very standard plane.

If he could sit like that, anyone can.

Putting a bag on a seat is NOT the same as crushing your hot massive sweaty body over a stranger

Maybe he booked the middle seat for a relatively short journey.

I was a short journey but I don’t expect he chose it - who does? He wasn’t with the person by the window.

My point isn’t whether he chose it or not. My point is that he was able to sit within its confines without apparent difficulty or resentment. Not one bit of his knee came into my space anyway.

Many women have done that to me on many occasions on public transport.
Seriously. It's not just blokes.

i don't. I literally said i stand up to let someone sit near the window. That's not condescending. I don't want to sit next to a window, and i don't have to.

I don't block seats, i don't put my bag on them, and i will literally wave at people to show them there is a seat there. But i won't be sitting in it.

Nothing to do with etiquette, all to do with my preference.

I once had a manspreader next to me on a train while I had my laptop in front of me for work. I googled amusing meme images of manspreader shaming and chortled at them quietly occasionally. For some reason he got off at the next stop (and got back on quickly onto the next carriage along which potentially may have contained a less upity woman who knew her place and accepted her obligation to take up minimum space)

Many women crush you with their enormous bodies then sit with their hot gross flesh pressed against you?

Yeah.
You should come to South London.
Lots of gross smelly people - male and female - all squashing and getting in personal space.

Em no thank you

The man in this house is 6’3. From knee to coccyx he’s longer than the space between bus seats. He has to angle his legs just to sit in them.

It’s that or taxis everywhere.

Oh, and plane seats.

I was sitting opposite a man on a 4 seat set up on the train yesterday and even he was trying to encroach most of my space. He was slouching in the seat, then had one foot on the floor touching mine and then had one foot sort of crossed on the opposite knee which was then pushing against my bag. I literally was unable to take up any less space (im less than 5ft so my legs/feet barely need any space anyway! 🙄)

Today i had to stand for the entire journey and that was preferable

The people wanting to sit in them are huge compared to people in India or Thailand.

Lol. When were you last in India? Saw plenty of bigger people on the bus

Rubbish. If the seat pitch is less than the distance from their bum to their knees, there is no way anyone can sit in an airline seat without splaying their legs.

It’s a physical impossibility.

Its absolutely a man thing. Makes me laugh that people are desperate to deny this. Of course there are woman who spread out and men who dont, but overall, it's more men.

The new south western trains are narrower seats so its getting worse. I now comment firmly, with hand gestures to demonstrate where the line is. Men get very defensive, denying it every time. But usually I miraculously have more space afterwards.

the one i used to live with who was that tall always sat in an aisle seat and did his best not to manspread.

Or stood if it was under 30 minutes. Or tries to get one of the seats he could fit in.

I just shift my bum until so I'm taking up the space I'm entitled to. I've never had anybody complain yet.

This. Our son is 6ft 5 and our daughter is 5ft 11. They are both incredibly uncomfortable in economy. I’m only 5ft 8 and there’s never enough leg room.