Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

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This is madness. Can the last taxpayer in the UK please close the door behind them.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-on-handouts-to-be-18-000-better-off-than-families-on-modest-wages/ar-AA1RqxlQ

I get that, but I think using our house to fulfil that requirement is cheating the system somewhat. None of us are disabled, and we've lived here 6 years now, so it's not like we might up and leave, and the house could be re-let to a disabled family.

Surely the point of having x number of adapted homes is to house x number of disabled people.

It’s not using your house to tick a box saying they are meeting a requirement. It’s not how it works

They have converted the property to a lifetime home and won’t pay to convert it back
because
thats a waste of money
and you won’t be there forever so it is available for others after you

It's the same attitude by planners to owners of listed buildings …we are just looking after the asset for the future

Re the x number

When I worked on housing we were required to build most properties as lifetime homes
A small % just had downstairs WCs

The houses were for sale so no idea of who would buy them. It’s just future proofing

If it's the same as my area, it will be because no one who is disabled required it at the time.

Our private rental property was unsuitable for our disabled son and he wasn't allowed to be discharged from hospital to an unsuitable property which meant we needed somewhere fast. We shot up to the top of the list and pretty much became #1 for any suitable adapted property in the area and just 1 month later, we got this place just in time for our son to be discharged.

I was told when viewing the property that there was a huge list of people behind us, some disabled/with disabled children and some not but the ones not would only be offered the property if those with needs for an adapted property either didn't bid for it in the first place or deemed it unsuitable for whatever reason.

What is high earners for you?

Yeah the token 16 hours so they can claim max benefits. Thats a joke.

The removal of two child benefit cap will give each of these families an additional £5k per year.

Now imagine the kind of pay rise you need to get the amount in your net pay, if you are a productive member of society.

But if you choose to have children you cannot afford, then it’s just handed to your for free.

There are families out there who are paying into this madness who will have less to spend on their children so they can pay for other people’s irresponsible life choices.

I don't read newspapers. I don't hate people who are worse off than me and I don't begrudge children in poor households. I would think anyone jealous of a family on benefits should perhaps try it. Too much frothing and nastiness aimed at people with large families who need benefit support, mist of whom are working.

Well Liz Trust resigned but RR doesn’t want to. She does accept when she makes mistakes and is pushed by Torsten Bel to make decisions allegedly.

I don't know how others manage it but as soon as DH has hours that drop him below the required AET, he is called it for an appointment and pestered to work more hours or find a new job with more hours.

This tends to only happen in January with him because he works in hospitality and after the Christmas rush, his work goes really quiet but then picks up again.

He absolutely does not get away with working 16 hours per week, next week he'll be working 50 hours and tonight he wasn't home from work until about an hour ago.

I would like someone to post a link to where it says on the UC part of the Gov website about only having to work 16 hours to claim full benefits.

I am pretty sure it was a thing with Tax Credits, but people on that have migrated over to UC now.

This is true

I have one child as can’t afford two £5l a year is a lot extra

It's 5k a year if the recipient is disabled, caring for a disabled child or spouse, or working on a low income.

Working on a low income is open to all, btw. If you really think that will be a better life, give it a whirl. Tesco et al is likely to be hiring right about now, and care homes are always looking for staff.

i know a few people who either haven’t got a job, or have kept their working hours low because UC pays out more than working. It’s an absolute joke .

No you don't, because you can't get more UC for not working.
If you can, then let me know how. I know several vulnerable and disabled people who could do with the extra money,

anyone with disabled children /sen should get as much help as they can and tbh should get more

have 2 friends with sen kids and they both work bit if they do extra hours they loose the carers allowance which is so wrong

they still have to care for them at night /evenings after working

it’s more those who keep popping kids out who will gain

Are you always so disparaging of low paid jobs, a lot of people work those jobs full time and get no benefits.

And a lot of people are getting UC in those jobs because the company will only give them P/T hours, or because they have a young family and high rent/childcare costs. It's not disparaging; it is a fact.

The people stocking our supermarkets and packing up our Deliveroo orders deserve to eat. If they need UC to enable to them to do that, that's on their employer, not them, for not paying them what they are worth.

That is not how she meant it and well you know it

No it’s not.

It’s £5k on average for families with more than 2 children. It was discussed in House of Commons last week.

£5k for having children people cannot afford.

You are better off working on UC.

Yes she did, it came across as snobby as she thought those jobs were worthless and anyone could get them

Ignoring the dubiousness of the report and, for a moment, disability benefits - we should be paying for people to have more kids. We're in an ever-worsening fertility crisis.

"Can't afford kids, dont have them" attitudes miss the point that we, as a society, cannot afford the status quo (only 1.4 kids per household) to continue.

When else fails, insist on the lie that we need to give out free money to people because there is a shortage of people on the planet.

There is no shortage of people. There is a shortage of people paying their way in this country and not making responsible choices.

For those who are working to pay for this madness. If you are a family of 3 kids and in work, you would have to earn £71k a year to compete with a similar family on benefits.

No one is falling for the lie anymore that these people on benefits are hard up.