AIBU that now is the time for us to get behind Kemi?

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Rachel Reeves has broken her promise that new taxes would not be levied on working people. She hasn’t followed through with her promise to prioritise growth. She failed to deliver welfare reform. It is clear that the current government is now led by the newly elected backbenchers. Labour are punishing those of us who work and save, taxing our pensions and making life more expensive for working families. She is making it more difficult for employers to hire staff and graduates in particular are suffering from a lack of opportunity due to her policies.

Keir Starmer failed to get any support for welfare reform from his backbenchers and is coasting politically.

Both Rachel and Keir have shown that political survival means more to them than delivering a budget that grows the economy and helps those of us who work hard and aspire for more. I feel that they hate people like me and my family- we are professionals on two good wages with children, not rich, middle class, trying to improve our lives, prepare for our futures while trying to pay the bills. There is literally nothing in this budget which would help people like me, only punishment (or a ‘contribution’ as Rachel Reeves described it in her budget speech).

Yes, the tories screwed up massively under Boris and Truss. But everything that Kemi is saying about the autumn budget is spot on. Kemi also stood up for women at a time when Labour was gaslighting women across the country in relation to trans issues.

The conservatives have a huge amount of work to do to rebuild trust and develop their policies. But if they don’t gain public support we are risking the chaos of a Reform government. AIBU to say that now is the time to get behind Kemi?

I will vote Labour.

I wish they were bring sharper, more decisive , had better comms and Starmer was a more charismatic communicator. They are bring overtaken by liars, social media and the sensationalist misinformation by Brexit Grandmeister Farage.

I think the problems people are so frustrated with now are not of Labour’s making. Including the Brexit-related ones (aspects of economic struggle, and ability to deal with small boats). And how can anyone think we can recover from the state of the country / the cost of Covid / the impact of Brexit / the global impact including Ukraine, fuel prices etc, tariffs, and with the loss of the ‘special relationship’ with the U.S to rely in for trade?

There are Tories I thought were reasonable and had promise. But not Badenoch. The Greens and Reform are just rag bags of sound bites.

So all in all Labour would still get my vote.

I meant the whole lot of them, there was shouting from everywhere in there. Shouting, laughing, jeering, do you think it is ok from any party, it was a job to hear what was going on.

I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.

No. I abhor rudeness and she is as rude as they come.

The 'no money left' note was part of a longstanding, ongoing joke. Since 1964 all outgoing chancellors leave such a note for the incoming team.

Did you vote Conservative last time OP?

I did, very, very reluctantly and because I believed Rishi Sunak. I thought the VAT on private school fees was spiteful and I don’t believe in taxes on education (and my kids are in state school), and I thought Labour’s stance on trans issues was harmful to women. The conservatives deserved to lose that election, however.

I agree.
I like the ideas Kemi is putting forward. She's far better than Starmer or Farage. Today's polling from Find Out Now puts the tories second.

I think Reform will win the next election. Zia Yousuf will replace Farage as party leader and this will increase their popularity

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It’s funny watching her thinking herself very funny 🙄

This.

Kemi Badenoch is a nasty piece of work. The way she ripped into and humiliated Rachel Reeves yesterday over the budget was disgusting and totally unprofessional, whether you agree with what she said or not. She's a real bully and I'd go so far as to say a total bitch. I couldn't watch it all as it was so cruel.

It certainly looks that way on current polling. I don't know much about Zia Yusuf but from what I have seen, he's a good communicator.
I would prefer the tories though.

I don't actually mind her too much but the Tories don't deserve to be anywhere near power for several election cycles. I'd hold my nose and vote Tory to keep Reform out though. Labour lost me years ago.

This! I have voted Tory in the past but in recent years they have become unprofessional and deeply unpleasant. Badenochs language recently has been pathetic , she sounds more like a whiny playground bully than a responsible, measured politician.

14 years of the Tories, Brexit and Covid and we all expect a quick fix. If Kemi and her crowd could sort it, they didn't manage it in the last 14 years. Let's give labour a chance.

I agree
People say that Labour should have been honest about tax rises in their manifesto and would still have won the election but we all know that's very unlikely.
Generally people hate paying tax, hate paying for welfare & benefits and that has got worse over recent years.

People on good salaries with houses, private pensions & savings are moaning about the end of the two child cap because they feel that some people (let's be honest, women) are getting money for nothing.
But those people will only get that money while their children are children. And children are expensive.
Once their children are grown it stops but those moaners with private pensions, houses, savings, good salaries etc will still have those & will face a far better future. Maybe there will be slightly less in their pension pot or their savings but it's still a very different life ahead.
The idea people are on easy street because they are given benefits to help them raise children is ridiculous.

Labour can't change everything overnight but they are a left wing party. Of course they are going to improve welfare and raise the minimum wage & tax people who have more. It's literally what the party stands for.
Are they perfect, no? Have they made mistakes, yes?
But so has every government before them and no more so than the Tories.

Welllll personally speaking, assuming Labour can't/wont turn things around before the next election, I think I would rather the tories got in than Reform who are an unknown quantity with sinister undertones (in my opinion) and some dodgy people as party members. Then again there's a few more years to go until the next election so plenty of time to see how it all plays out.

I can't help thinking that Labour got in on an absolute landslide (I didn't vote for them) and people in general are now learning you reap what you sow. Doesn't make it any easier but it's always been so. My parents told me that decades ago, I think my dad voted Labour in 1945 but he never did again.

Im not sure Kemi Badenoch is future prime minister material, I do wonder how things might have turned out for the Tories if Rory Stewart had been more telegenic and won the leadership. The man's got a hell of a CV, but it seems that's not what matters nowadays. I think we're all doomed actually.

I don’t really get the love for RS on mn. Kemi would do great, I’m sure not being white and male is somewhat of a barrier. But on ability she’s better than many in that House.

So last time, believing they deserved to lose and despite their appalling track record you voted Conservative.

Surely then, the answer to your questions, "So, do you never again vote tory because of their track record? Then would would someone like me who has conservative values vote for?" is that you will vote Conservative.

I'd say you are true blue Tory despite what you say above.

I'd be very interested to hear your views on what the Tories did about trans issues during their last tenure that gives you faith that they will be better than other parties on the matter.

I just watched her speech in full… and thought how impressive she was! I also loved seeing Alex Burghart on the front bench and the genuine look of admiration and support. I am toying with the idea of voting Reform but have in the past voted Conservative. The benefit the conservatives have is that in the past people felt embarrassed to admit to ‘being a Tory’ but with Reform now being seen as the ‘bad guys’ (or party for ‘thickos’) that is changing. Also a strong, black, female PM? Very good look. I think she’s going to get more impressive, the confidence is starting to show.

I also don’t agree with that view of Reform. And also think that it’s not just about choosing a party, but changing political debate and what is being discussed, which Reform are doing whether or not they ever get into power.

Left wing politics MIGHT work if you give full control to the government on a global scale. Otherwise they will fail because they aren’t sustainable.

What do you mean by "an absolute landslide" ?
They got in simply because more people voted for them & that was because people wanted change..Allegedly.

However, as soon as they try to change anything to redress the balance & reduce inequality there are complaints.

So after years of Tory fuck ups you want them back in?!

However, as soon as they try to change anything to redress the balance & reduce inequality there are complaints

Yep