AIBU that now is the time for us to get behind Kemi?

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Rachel Reeves has broken her promise that new taxes would not be levied on working people. She hasn’t followed through with her promise to prioritise growth. She failed to deliver welfare reform. It is clear that the current government is now led by the newly elected backbenchers. Labour are punishing those of us who work and save, taxing our pensions and making life more expensive for working families. She is making it more difficult for employers to hire staff and graduates in particular are suffering from a lack of opportunity due to her policies.

Keir Starmer failed to get any support for welfare reform from his backbenchers and is coasting politically.

Both Rachel and Keir have shown that political survival means more to them than delivering a budget that grows the economy and helps those of us who work hard and aspire for more. I feel that they hate people like me and my family- we are professionals on two good wages with children, not rich, middle class, trying to improve our lives, prepare for our futures while trying to pay the bills. There is literally nothing in this budget which would help people like me, only punishment (or a ‘contribution’ as Rachel Reeves described it in her budget speech).

Yes, the tories screwed up massively under Boris and Truss. But everything that Kemi is saying about the autumn budget is spot on. Kemi also stood up for women at a time when Labour was gaslighting women across the country in relation to trans issues.

The conservatives have a huge amount of work to do to rebuild trust and develop their policies. But if they don’t gain public support we are risking the chaos of a Reform government. AIBU to say that now is the time to get behind Kemi?

Do Labour still think this sneery stuff works for them?

Its not this that puts me off Badenoch, its these two:

She got a fellow pupil expelled from her school and then complained she didn't get praise for it, what bloody business is it of hers??

On yesterdays R4's Political Thinking, she told Nick Robinson that it could be argued that ALL welfare is anti Christian.

I think she is quite a nasty spiteful person, her personal attacks on political rivals bears this out.

Its all she has got, because she has presented no alternative economic plans at all, no surprise, she was in the last Tory Govt for 5 years, what did she achieve?

This thread is a bit June 24 but the strategy of sneering hasn’t done much for the polls since then so why continue.

I'd agree with that.

I can’t see anything I don’t like in the Schools Bill on face value although I agree there isn’t much in it-it’s very lightweight. More safeguarding is to be welcomed, I like an emphasis on oracy-I think getting rid of speaking and listening in the curriculum was a bad idea. And I know 3 sciences is a Mumsnet staple, although I’m not convinced, personally. Cutting down on the requirement for branded stuff is good too. Obviously the big issue is SEND-but we can’t be definitive about that until the White Paper.
Education spending has increased under Labour-although I agree not by much and not enough.

It’s not sneery to say that in my opinion anybody moving their vote to Reform from ANY other party because they think it will lead to better governance,better fiscal management and better international relations is mistaken and probably hasn’t looked very deeply into the party’s policies.

https://schoolcuts.org.uk/story/majority-of-schools-to-face-cuts-next-year/

https://inews.co.uk/news/labours-budget-will-worsen-send-catastrophe-4076680?srsltid=AfmBOoqv8JnzWSi9P8zezHSGYrXcGFmlyzsmEvwYZcD3RtJDjnQbYlls

https://www.specialneedsjungle.com/privacy-dangers-children-families-wellbeing-schools-bill/

I though "we" all wanted Welfare cuts and reductions in Govt spending? not more money spent on things like Schools and SEND.

Or is it trawl Govt spending plans until something is found that they can be attacked on?

Yeh it is. Labour seem to be working on pissing off the most people possible. Is that post GE drop in support the fastest for any party?

It looks like they prefer to alienate and then insult. Not going well though for numbers.

Seeing as you follow me around you would know I am passionate about education. You are conflating cutting welfare spending with the education budget and SEND? That's a reach, even for you. They are different departments for a start.

It’s all taxpayers’ money at the end of the day. Any extra spending in one part of the public sector has to be compensated for with savings elsewhere.

Governments spending money on education is welfare expenditure. Welfare of the people. That’s a good thing but it is still welfare.

And that's part of the problem with her. In her entire political career she has not said one original thing.

It isn't welfare spending as it is classified in terms of budget though is it 🙄. You are playing with semantics. The welfare budget doesn't include education, it's entirely about benefits.

Wow I never knew that thank you for enlightening me about taxpayer money.

The welfare budget doesn't include education, it's entirely about benefits.

It’s mostly pensions.

Ah i see despite my requests for you to stop responding to me, you re still at it but then accuse me of "following" you,
You do know a thread isn't exclusively for you to decide on who goes on or not.

Once again, there are plenty of others for you to insult and pick at, whilst claiming its only the left that do this.....

So again, stop quoting me.

And you accuse other people of sneering. Why don’t you engage with the issue instead?

Yep you’ve been clear on that don’t worry about the jibes.

It’s interesting that it seems to be OK to criticise and even insult people who support any party except Reform. Why is that?

Why the sarcasm? It was only a few posts back that you were having a go at others for being nasty and name calling. Sarcasm is no better.

Exactly. The Left are constantly accused of ‘sneering’ by right wing voters, and yet they’re equally guilty of it themselves. Pot and kettle spring to mind.

As a floated voter, who has always been slightly left of centre, I notice that in reality both sides are guilty of sneering at the other side, but don't like it being dished out to them. It's like kids in the playground accusing each other of being ‘mean’.

Hardly surprising, though, since politicians are like that at PMQs. I can't bear to watch it.

As for me, I really don't know how I'm going to vote now.

It’s usually about being clever and other people thick and I question that, the superiority part in particular.

But mostly it’s a dud strategy if you want voters back. As said alienating as many as possible and then insulting them isn’t working for Labour so why continue?

What worries me is that there are so many people on very generous benefits and so many public sector workers that these people who are doing very well for themselves with this labour government that they will vote them in again and this horrendous, miserable, poor standard of living that the rest of us are experiencing will continue on and on. For those of us paying so much tax for the benefit of others life can't actually get any worse than this, people are at rock bottom.